You can embellish.

Yeah.

So, uh, military family.

All I was ever going to do was go in the military, so I did that.

Got a bit bashed up.

Got quite a short leg.

Um, so it didn't, didn't end well initially.

Mm

in your best judge

we well we went to them for hoping to have a sense of a sensible conversation And we said, look, there are some serious issues here and we want to discuss with you how they're going to get fixed.

Nothing.

They just kept going.

And we were holding the money.

We were funding the scheme.

So we said, right.

What do you think of mediation?

I think they've got

beer as well actually, but never mind.

Anyway, the point I was about to make, I can remember as a trainee going into our archive room and looking at some old reports that have probably been building surveys, that have probably been written in the 1940s or 50s, and they were probably five or six pages of Fulskap paper.

And if you look at what we write now, and there are reams and reams of elemental analysis and caveats and terms and conditions all stitched in there.

You read the five pages or six pages of Fulskap, and it would pretty much say, this is a rubbish building, I would not buy this building.

So, ah,

well, we want that.

It's like, no, no, what do you want to achieve? And you may not want that.

If somebody

is going to tell lies, I agree.

The process then puts an emphasis on box ticking instead of experience.

Correct.

And then suddenly you've got a problem where you've got a whole load of fire assessors who've all done a course, and they might be trained to something completely other.

They never actually fitted a door.

they've never actually watched the door burn down from one side or the other and we pick up loads of defects that have been signed off with a certain statement about it and actually if tradesmen looked at that they'd have come up with a slightly different conclusion like door packers not in intermescent seals not in all the doors not properly fitted there's a gap it's like we've left the intermescent seals out it's really easy but it's been missed by the expert who's been through a process driven qualification

thing that comes out of, one good thing that comes out of Yorkshire, and that's the road to Lancashire.