Do you see that?

Yeah, I think, um, probably, like, when you say dependable, you think as, as...

I- it's underplaying what he is.

I think in, like, for me, he's been outstandingly consistent.

He does everything really, really well.

When you speak to coaches, like, in around the training environment, like you said, standards off, on and off the field, how he's the last one off, like, working on his extras.

And I think he's had injuries, probably could argue maybe been in the selection mix sooner.

What's he gonna be doing?

Was there somebody who you were on the fence with or you were like, "Oh, I don't know if we can squeeze him in," and then you saw them play on the weekend and you went, "Ah"?

Um, I think, not, not really.

I think for us it's been a long time planning.

And again, we're assessing week on week.

We go to a lot of games.

We watch a lot of footage, get a lot of data as well.

I think overall there, there, there might be a, one or two where you're thinking, "Mm, maybe", but I think probably there ain't too many, 'cause I think it'd be m- very knee-jerk.

What's the reason?

Is that a big

thing that's... you've tried installing the boys no I think look Liz has been great in round that hit first mentality but also I think like you guys will know if you're too tight and you want to go you can't get what you want from that like with France you can't get after it as much so there's been that mindset but I think there's a confidence like Fox is saying and well he said peace is getting better and again I feel like in round we're not We're positive in the way we want to scrum, the way we want to line up.

There's lots of feedback coming back.

And that gives you platforms to defend.

And when you defend, actually you get a turnover, you're rewarded instead of going back to penalty advantage.

I think our kick chase has got better, but also probably that is something I think...

We can build on it around our accuracy and on some of that sort of the game management side of it.

he takes the boys away to do a lot of that physicality stuff and they're coming back on their own aren't they it's sort of growing I wouldn't say

How do you navigate that?

Oh, look, it's, it's a huge demand and I think that...

but that's where you wanna be.

You've gotta build depth.

And again, sometimes with, with these sort of back to back games, you'll pick up injuries or there will be fatigue, so you've gotta find out about other people, so it creates an opportunity for someone else.

And again, being part of the Six Nations with, with Scotland for a long time, obviously just doing the D, you re- you realize that sometimes less is more.

You know, in certain weeks you've gotta get 'em mentally fresh because the demand of the training and also the demand mentally and physically in these big games is huge on the players.

You got a proud bunch of boys who are gonna, gonna keep showing up"?

Okay.

And when we probably review, we're seeing where it is and obviously the demands of what it takes outside of it and connecting and, and things like that.

So there's all those things are always at the back of your mind and what you're thinking about.

But yeah, to, to be honest with you, leading the D at the start was brilliant.

I love it.

And, and again, that was-- it's obviously separate in around when you go to Scotland 'cause that's the only thing you're concerning yourself with.

Whereas probably you wanna strike a real balance when you're a head coach because you can come in and just co- solely concentrate on the D, and then everyone else getting a piece of the pie and probably looking at our squad.

Rio Dyer's name has cropped up a few times.