Yeah.

So don't beat yourself up about it.

You gotta reassess it and go, "Right, then how can I do it differently, if I need to do it differently, or do I move on and do it somewhere else and someone else appreciates me?" So the thing is, like, it's just being positive and, and it's, people say, oh, it's bounce-back ability, isn't it? You know, how you get up after you've been kicked, like, but I think that's true.

And that is, that is, that is so true because it's, again, it's how you respond to things, and again, you know, losing your dad.

Um, but then I think that I got kicked, I got...

I just didn't...

I got an opportunity for Neath.

Mm-hmm.

Was there something different about Eden Park to, to, say, Wellington?

Wellington?I think the, especially in 2017, the, the first test was in Eden Park, then Wellington the second, then back to Eden Park.

And those first and third tests, the speed at what, uh, New Zealand played at was relentless.

I think after about 20 minutes in that third test, I honestly felt I wasn't gonna make the 80 minutes, and it was because they have...

They seem to have just a different gear, and getting the ball in quick, not giving you time to set, and that's their mindset.

And the- the, you know, the, the whole thing, you drive over the mountain, down into Eden Park, you know.

And it's, um, it, you know, the history behind it and you're, you're fully aware of it.

Oh, really? I didn't know that

Why, why is he not?

Uh, I think Ellis Mee came off the bench and, and looked really good.

Um, I thought Blair Murray was also very good at 15.

I thought he'd got himself into the game in the second half and started making line breaks and started getting Wales on the front foot.

So maybe it's that combination, um, with those two.

Um, look, Louis Rees-Zammit is, is X Factor.

You know, he's, he's the-- he's our most X Factor player, uh, we've got.

Yeah, it shows, I guess, that Tandy is picking on form over reputation right now.

So it's a team that's been going on the right trajectory and now they get this reward.

Yeah, no, it's great.

I think Rich Rees talks about them doing sessions in a squash court in a local leisure centre, you know, as a professional era, that's quite alarming.

But, you know, what they've done and how they play, it's just created opportunity for them.

I think I love how they want their forwards to have touches on the ball.

They're very accurate at ruck time.

People like Dan Thomas, McNally, they get over the ball really quickly to keep that speed of ball.

... it's a lovely part of the world to travel to.

he will play.

Right.

So a huge game for Cardiff on Friday night.

Another big game in Llanelli, a derby to end the season between Scarlets and the Dragons.

Um, Scarlets have only been bottom of the league once before, John, and that was back in 2009, 2010.

How big a motivator genuinely will that be? Shaking your head.

[laughs] And I was prob- I was part of that 2009, 2010 season, so yeah, it's, it's not fun.

I think it, it'd be a tight game, but I think, uh, France's defense and their attacking ability, I think this is the year they cause an upset.