But Steve, can you comment on what Carl's just said as well?

Yeah, I think one of the issues comes when you see there are Christian voices and you're looking at a tidal wave of what I think is pretty dark times coming, especially post-Christianly, and you can begin to think that Whatever goes, you know, whatever needs to happen.

I mean, that was the great Graham Richardson's line from the – he was an ALP sort of power broker, whatever it takes.

But the Bible doesn't say that.

And, look, I spoke – I preached the other week on – called it Mind the Gap about Saul, King Saul.

It says – and this goes to the heart of our public and private thing.

King Saul is – once again, the Philistines are out to get him and he's at the end of his – life and his kingship.

But the point was where the questions were coming from didn't help in this process, and that's what made it pretty difficult.