Yes.

And so anyways, I asked him to leave to go to the hotel because I needed some space.

I need some time to think about things.

And he was just going day by day.

We were kind of touching base here and there.

He was sending me text messages throughout the time of, "When can I come back? I miss you," and I just ignored them.

[smacks lips] And the next, I think it was either the next day or two days in, I decided to contact a lawyer because I realized I don't know much about our house.

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I agree.

Yeah.

It's interesting, to your point earlier, where you were talking about social media, it's such a great way to market yourself and to put yourself out there as a house, and really let people get to know you before you come into rush.

Or to communicate about different things that are going on.

But it also just opens you up to more...

I, I don't know if it's better or worse to have more knowledge before going into rush.

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Tell me what you enjoy about this trip.

What's not to enjoy? S- most of the time people are really lovely.

They're having a good day out.

You've got all this wild- wonderful wildlife.

You're sort of in the outdoors.

It's just really lovely.

Very peaceful way to earn a living.

I feel like you're almost nose to nose with them.

Sarah, did you have a distinct moment of clarity, or was it more gradual?

I, I had kind of both.

So, um, I look back and I think there were two moments, um, back in 2023 and then in early 2025.

Um, and I'll share a small amount of detail just to kind of explain the context, but, um, there was a lot of stress and, and fighting and things happening back in 2023 and, um, I discovered a bunch of messages between my now ex and his sister on his phone back in 2023.

I was putting our child to sleep.

He had left the phone unlocked.

I, you know, I wasn't the type to go into his phone, and I just ended up reading these messages he'd been sending to his sister, and it was just six months of him saying things about me that were all negative.

Mm-hmm.

Sounds sketchy.

It does, he, very sketchy [laughs], and they escape.

He does survive the attack, so she does not kill him.

She just, like, takes him down so they're able to leave the scene.

Um, immediately after that, we see them, um, traveling to 18 Rue Felipe Laurent, [laughs] I'm sure that makes more sense to people who've been to Paris, to meet, um, a woman named Irma Dugand, and she was a housekeeper for the Lestrange family.

And the reason they go visit her is she is the one who s- signs Credence adoption's papers, so when they're looking into who his parents are, her name shows up on the papers even though she is not his, his parent.

And, um, when they're there, they are attacked by one of Grindelwald's followers, a man named Gunnar Grimmson, and when he attacks them, he actually encases Nagini in a wall, which I am claustrophobic, so that is, like, one of the scariest ways to be attacked, in my mind.

That sounds terrible.

I mean, where do you start? It's almost like I looked at it and went, literally, where do you, where do you begin implementing something like that?

Yeah, I mean, there's so much to do.

Um, there's a lot of actions in the plan.

There's 101 actions in the plan, but if you think about what the actions are, they're sort of figuring out what's going on, figuring out where we need to be, and figure out how to get there.

So we need to do that in everywhere that AI touches.

But we've worked with the industry.

We've had a lot of working sessions.

And three years that you've set yourself to get this rolled out, which seems very, very ambitious.

You stop it right now

I actually, like, didn't believe it when I saw, but we had her in 2009

Hello, pretty tat

She came back to us earlier this year.

She was like, had some paralysis in her back legs

I'll tell you, it's hard out there.

Yeah.

This realization was really-I thought powerful as well.

And it was a relief to me, the reader, because, like, he kept referencing back to that, and, like, when she was asleep and he went in there, like, she was naked or whatever, and he looked at her, and then he kept having her naked body in his mind.

And I was like, "Quit," like, "quit doing that.

Stop doing that." Like, why is the only woman in this section this naked girl in the bed, and, like, this is the only reference we're getting to any sort of woman.

And then he had this realization, and I was like, there we go, and there it is.

I should read War and Peace

Okay.

I couldn't-- So I could not distinguish what they learned from each individual scenario unless, you know, I were to try to talk to them right after, like a week later and say, "Hey, what do you remember from this specific scenario?" But we tried to measure that through survey responses, so whether they felt like they learned something from the TDGs, or we asked individually what they felt like they took the most impact from or the most benefit from in each component.

And for the most part, patrol officersIndicated that they benefited the most from the decision games compared to the critical skills and the active knowledge recall.

But surprisingly, the sergeants felt like it was the critical skills that was the most beneficial, but I also do think that's just because decision-making isn't directly observable.

So it was more about the...

It's kind of a self-reporting on if they feel like it helped them in their decision-making, and that could maybe later be empirically tested in a more quantitative form, but as of now it needs to be more-

But Sarah, did I frame right about whether or not that would be a way to help measure decision-making improvement over time if we recorded their decisions?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, but I think it's, it was really important to know a little bit more about myself, understanding how other people think and how other people work, 'cause everyone just assumes everybody thinks and works the same way, um, and we're all incredibly different, even the way we process our emotions, our feelings, our, our assumptions about the world.

Um, and then it just gives us a little bit more, I guess, tools in order to handle different sides of the clinic that are gonna come up, whether it's dealing with your clients that are angry, dealing with interpersonal issues, dealing with a hard day at work, being able to, to just navigate those situations a lot easier, or maybe not even say easier, but you're just having the tools to get through it in a more structured way versus just fumbling through.

Here's what some of the other delegates wanted to make sure that you heard about an experience like this.

It forces you to step back from, like, your everyday run, like, rat race, um, life, and just literally focus on what is inside, um, and how you feel, and it's just a lot of introspection.

And then you're also hanging out in nature, and it just slows down, and it's peaceful, and it's beautiful, and it gives you, like, space to think, where real life you don't get that very often.

No. Sarah, I was gonna ask, since Monica talked a little bit about what got her into this type of stuff and what she's been interested in, have you ever had any paranormal-type experiences before doing the podcast? Anything that kinda led you to where you're at today?

Yes, definitely.

And I think this conversation's a really great segue into that.

I, uh, ever since I was very, very young, I've always felt, um, like just different.

I've always felt very open-minded to things.

I've had tons and tons of experiences, and I think that that's why.

I think it's because I'm open-minded to it, and it's because I don't need the answer right away.

So very strange.

Hello, my name is Sarah, and I am a marijuana addict.

Um, this is actually the not my first time doing a speaker tape.

I did one, uh, well, tomorrow is gonna be my four and a half years, God willing, if I make it.

Um, and I did this once before at my eighteen months.

Um, and so you might remember me from hearing that speaker tape.

Um, so I, I thought it was interesting to do it again, um, and say, like, how things have been going.

Yeah, I want everyone.

I want all the clients.

But breaking it down for me was working out what my thing is, which is, like, tweakments, like enhancements, like just little sneaky, "Ooh, you look good," but not going, "Oh my God, have you had this? Have you had that?" Just people looking at you and thinking, "I look fresh." And then as I realized that, then again started to portray it on my Instagram, and then the clients would come in, they'd be like, "I've been watching you, and I just love how you say, I just wanna have something done and not be able to tell that I've had something done."

Shout out to Matt.

He's so good.

Um, but like I say, he does travel a lot, so we have to wing it sometimes.

And again, I've got really good support, and I've got a lot of help.

But, um, we are very, we're both Virgos [laughs] and we're very structured.

That's really neat.

Yeah.

So basically, right when I got home, he actually called me and he told me that he had just been able to speak with the ultrasound doctor and now he understood my situation a lot better.

And so he urged me to go into labor and delivery triage if I had more than two contractions in the next hour.

And he said that he usually tells patients to have a pretty high threshold of when to go into the hospital.

But with me, he wanted me to have a very low threshold.

So I was like, okay.

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Sarah, qui a failli perdre une amie très ponctuelle un jour où elle s'est perdue dans le rangement de son appartement, me dit que cette amitié survit encore aujourd'hui, justement parce qu'elles se sont ajustées l'une à l'autre.

Et donc on a réussi à trouver un petit équilibre où en fait, on se donnait rendez-vous à un certain moment et on se tenait au courant au fur et à mesure de nos retards respectifs.

Euh, et euh, ben en général, quand on se dit rendez-vous à treize heures, on arrive toutes les deux du coup à quinze heures.

Et elle me dit même à cause de toi, maintenant, je commence à être en retard tout le temps aussi.

For brunch.

So it's, it's always a place that...

Well, and you should, you can call ahead and try to get your name on the list, or you can just show up and wait because Ligonier's cute and you can walk around the diamond.

Officially, they call it The Kitchen on Main Kitchen, Wine Cellar, and Pantry.

Yep, that's it.

Because they acquired extra space.

They used to just be on the one side, and then they acquired extra space.

They've expanded.

So, um, did that put a damper, I mean literally or figuratively, on your day, um, to have a rainy day at sea? Less pool deck time I imagine.

Yeah.

You know, we live in Florida, so I, I don't need hot sun.

Like, I wasn't escaping.

Like, we're already using our pool and everything here.

Um, I lo- we, we kinda like the rainy day adventure mood.

The only downside would be that more people were inside and all those spaces just felt that much more crowded.

Yeah

Where?

To meet him.

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Why is this necessary?

Because laws can say one thing and lives can say another.

Because you can win a case and still lose a sidewalk.

Because you can change a policy and still be told where you don't belong.

Because there are places where injustice survives on being ignored

Uh, yeah.

No, year one I was doing radiation, or I had just finished radiation.

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Like, this is, Atlanta is a great city.

I love living here, and I want other people to experience it, too.

So that's why we work n- with neighborhood like Summerhill.

What's a porch goose?

So a porch goose is, I think it was like really big in like the '80s, '70s, but like it's essentially just, it's a goose figure-

Okay

...

I wanna make like a funny goose with like a, like wearing like a curler wig with like a ciggy and like a robe.

Cool.

And my team is a dedicated team that works across all sectors across the country, and we access, um, grants for our clients on a state and federal government, uh, level.

Oh, yeah.

And that is looking to support manufacturing companies to either onshore or reshore manufacturing that is currently being either undertaken overseas or interstate.

Yeah

... people, you know, didn't necessarily, I- or at least maybe my friends didn't.

And so I really didn't start drinking until [laughs]...

I don't wanna blame my husband at all, because it's not his fault, but when we met, my husband had gone to a big SEC school and, you know, it was definitely much more a part of his family and, and his friendship group when I moved to Asheville.

And so it just became more a part of my life with that friend group, and that was literally when I was 30 or 28, basically, when I moved here.

And so, you know, maybe it became a little bit more a part of my life.

But then we actually got married pretty quickly.

What was that?

Good morning.

Good morning.

Um, so I think when we talk about that things were not, not everybody's ha- had success, I can say last year my year was awful.

I had a terrible year, and my mind was not in a great space.

I was focusing a lot on everything that was wrong, everything that was going wrong, and I realized that that was the first step that I needed to do, is start focusing on what's right and doing the next right thing versus everything that was going wrong.

And that was the first step in how I have been able to move forward.

The second was we're doing Breakthrough 120 right now in our office, and there was a video that they showed the other day with Jason about, you know, if you can make the calls, but did you actually have the conversations? And I think I get really overwhelmed when I'm trying to do and track all the things at the same time.

What you got?

Okay.

So one myth I believed early on was that more volleyball volume equals better volleyball, right? So just more time on the court, more touches, right, equals a...

Like, that's how you achieve the best volleyball.

Um, and when I realized this myth is, like, when I came back after an injury, and in that time had done a lot of rehab, a lot of jump training, a lot of strength and conditioning, and then I came back and played much better volleyball.

And so it just goes to show you that more touches does not equal a better outcome.

Things like jump training with weights, you know, to get that explosive power, plyometrics to get that, like, elastic jumping and increasing your vertical, and just how...

Sarah.

the Middle Ages

... because I don't remember, yeah.

[laughs] I don't remember really what my relationship was like with either of my parents at that time because I think I just sort of was like, "Whoop, let me go somewhere else." And then when, um, I started getting a little bit older, like sort of preteen years, I spent a lot of time at home, but that's, I think, when I started helping out a lot more, and I remember sort of seeing myself as not really my own person but as an example for the triplets.

And so I think that was a lot coming, I, I just heard that a lot.

Um, and whether that was specific to my relationship with you, Mom, or just generally both you and Dad, I think it was, I, I think everybody was trying to, to survive and, like, do our best to, like, keep three new humans alive.

And so it was sort of, like, us for them is sort of what it felt like.

And so I think then that turned into, once I became a teenager, desperately wanting my own space, my own sense of self, less restrictions, less you can't do that because, you know, it doesn't set a good example, or they can't do that, so you can't, you know, those sort of, like, very classic multiple sibling type things.

... what do you think is the best thing about her?