And so is, is there a way for all moms to have access in some way, shape or form to this tremendous support in their fourth trimester? Is that a possibility? How did you even know who to ask or how to ask Sarah? Like, did you have like a girlfriend who was like, wait a minute, I think this would be really supportive for you because that was not my experience.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, I didn't even know what really postpartum meant.

I thought, I thought postpartum meant depression, which by the way, it doesn't, there is a thing called postpartum depression, but postpartum just means the period after you have your baby.

Right.

So it's a, that, I mean, the terminology, like the lack of education for, for everyone, I think is, is one of the biggest pieces to point to, like you're saying, like most people don't know what a doula is, what they do, what, you know, what the terms are.

I don't want to speak for the whole world.

That is an excellent and very important-

Yeah.

Yep.

All right.

So let's say, number one, we're gonna say treat your recovery as a job, stop acting like you didn't just give birth, your to-do list can wait.

And number two is thinking about how to enable some of that.

A couple of my subsequent points are how you enable that, because the reality is those things still exist.

Thank you for sharing that, and we'll, we'll get the resource into the show notes for sure.

So w- were you approached by The Bachelor, or how did that happen for you?

Oh my gosh, so let's go back in time to 2020 when it was the pandemic, and it was COVID.

Oh, oh my gosh, I...

Let me...

Wow, it's been a minute since I've thought about this.

I was having a wine night with some of my roommates.

I was living in LA, and they thought it would be really funny if we submitted myself to The Bachelor.

Mm