And I think the next sort of part of this discussion, I think like the reason we wanted to have this conversation is to counter exactly what you're talking about of like, we're not at opposition and I think there's got to be ways that we can help each other's codes more but how do you see where AFLW is at right now um in terms like you said it's been nine years you've been around all of that like what have been some of the the biggest moments that you think are um yeah some of the ones that you're most proud of where the codes are

Yeah, I think when we talk about what I'm most proud of is that we – And like you just said, that it's happening in my lifetime.

So we're a similar age.

I'm 31.

Again, I played Auskick when I was little and I have a twin brother, which I often reflect on.

It seems sort of a bit naff, but I often reflect on because having a twin brother is I think I can really see the stark differences in the opportunities that we had.

Sorry, James, if you're listening to this, he was no good at footy.

And I want them to be full-time professionals, but for now it's setting the standard for what athlete role models do look like and can look like and... how positive they can be to the next generation i think we've talked a bit about the similarities like culturally in our codes but as much as we're saying we don't want to put them head to head what do you think uh from your perspective or your understanding of where nrlw is at what do you think are some of the biggest differences between the two codes at the moment