And we didn't feel like that was the win.

No, we didn't.

In fact, one of the things that helped us realize that maybe we had gotten there to some degree, at least, was when we started writing this book.

A team from the folks that were publishing it took our three kids out to dinner, just the three of them without us, and just wanted to talk to them about, hey, tell us about growing up.

We weren't sure if they were trying to decide if we were telling the truth in the book.

But when that conversation was over, they were finished with dinner.

That team left to go home and our three kids were standing outside the restaurant kind of saying goodbye to each other.

Yeah, with Garrett.