Just, you know, Kristen's answer on why do lawyers wait so long? What are your thoughts on that?

Well, Christopher, your point about the hire slow, fire fast, like I know I hear that and I know that's supposed to be the right thing.

But sometimes when you see somebody that looks like a good hire and you're not sure, you sort of get this sense of urgency.

Like if I don't act fast enough, then I might lose them.

So there's like this sense to sort of go contrary to that adage.

And then so... you're wondering, are we in the industry where we can do that? You know, sometimes the economy ebbs and flows, so it feels like it's counterintuitive.

But then I think the one about the fire has, like, you don't really realize you're in the moment until like, sometimes like you're really in the moment.

Not that I think anyone's going to come and do anything, but again, it allows for some of that coolness.

Just, you know, Kristen's answer on why do lawyers wait so long? What are your thoughts on that?

Well, Christopher, your point about the hire slow, fire fast, like I know I hear that and I know that's supposed to be the right thing.

But sometimes when you see somebody that looks like a good hire and you're not sure, you sort of get this sense of urgency, like if I don't act fast enough, then I might lose them.

So there's like this sense to sort of go contrary to that adage.

And then, so you're wondering, are we in the industry where we can do that? You know, sometimes the economy is, ebbs and flows.

So it feels like it's counterintuitive.

But then I think the one about the fire fast, like you don't really realize you're in the moment until like sometimes like you're really in the moment.

Not that I think anyone's going to come in and do anything, but again, it allows for some of that coolness.

This is lemon and, and whatever else it is." How significant is this admission coming from a Trump-backed DA?

Well, we're grateful for the admission.

Um, you know, it's a little late.

We already got that confirmation a couple of weeks ago, but, you know, it would've been nice if Whatever it was.

Um, but there wa- um, there was those few da- those couple of weeks where we didn't, um, where everyone was wondering at the same time we were trying to, to grieve Lorenzo, and everyone was in shock.

But we're grateful that, um, he confirmed what we learned a few weeks ago.

And, um, you know, just, I, I think that this has just been a red herring unfortunately distracting us from ultimately releasing the witnesses.

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What have they told you about this report and the results on this substance?

Well, it, it was, it is very late-breaking.

Just this afternoon, um, I was speaking with, uh, Lorenzo's family and they gave me the news that they, they had heard that it, it was not a narcotics, not illicit drugs.

And, and we both said, "Well, we knew that already, so but now it's official." Um, and so now we're, we're letting the world know.

Um, and there'll be official lab results available on Monday.

Uh, but we had previously said that it was only crystallized salt used for electrolyte mix.

Do you know if or when Lorenzo's brother's gonna be released from ICE custody where he's been for almost three weeks?

I think, uh, no one knows the answer to that.

Earlier today, you were visiting Victor in an ICE jail here in Texas about an hour from

Houston.

You know, I went there to work on our paperwork, but also to check in with him because I'd been a few days and wanting to make sure he was doing well.

But yes, to see him and know that he's wanting to be here, but he's only here in spirit at the moment.

Earlier in the week, we requested that Victor be able to come to his brother's visitation to pay his last respects.

And we heard that ICE granted that request.

We weren't given the when or where or the details.

of law enforcement, of ICE agents?

If you could talk about you spoke to your client, Victor, at a detention center on Saturday, if you could tell us what he said and also the implications of the three witnesses to this homicide now facing deportation proceedings.

Yes.

Thank you.

I've met with him multiple times since Friday.

And just him giving me the details of what happened that day are very shocking and horrific.

And even more reports have been coming out about how the violation of policing policies that happened, especially with unmarked vehicles and shooting into a vehicle.

But he gave me a detailed account of the pursuit that was done by the unmarked vehicles.

Thank you.

If you could talk about you spoke to your client, Victor, at a detention center on Saturday, if you could tell us what he said and also the implications of the three witnesses to this homicide now facing deportation proceedings.

Yes.

Thank you.

I've met with him multiple times since Friday.

And just him giving me the details of what happened that day are very shocking and horrific.

And even more reports have been coming out about how the violation of policing policies that happened, especially with unmarked vehicles and shooting into a vehicle.

But he gave me a detailed account of the pursuit that was done by the unmarked vehicles.

Thank you.

If you could tell us what he said, and also the implications of the three witnesses to this homicide now facing deportation proceedings.

Yes, um, thank you.

I've, I've met with him multiple times since Friday and, um, just him giving me the details of, of what happened that day are, are very shocking and horrific.

And, um, even more reports have been coming out about how the, the violation of policing, um, policies that happened, especially with unar- marked vehicles and shooting into a vehicle.

Um, but he gave me a detailed account of the, the pursuit that was done by the unmarked vehicles and, and then later, um, being on the side of the road, um, an agent, which they didn't know at the time was an agent, wa- getting out of the vehicle, um, walking up to the passenger side, yelling, "Stop," and, and then shooting, uh, through an, uh, opened window on the passenger side, which passed right by, um, my client, Victor, and, and unfortunately hit Lorenzo.

Um, then they looked around.

Victor thought he had been shot.

Um, Ruby Powers, talk about the significance of this, which would mean that the witnesses cannot be deported to other countries.

If you could tell us what he said, and also the implications of the three witnesses to this homicide now facing deportation proceedings.

Yes, um, thank you.

I've, I've met with him multiple times since Friday, and, um, just him giving me the details of, of what happened that day are, are very shocking and horrific.

And, um, even more reports have been coming out about how the, the violation of policing, um, policies that happened, especially with unmark- marked vehicles and shooting into a vehicle.

Um, but he gave me a detailed account of the, the pursuit that was done by the unmarked vehicles and, and then later, um, being on the side of the road, um, an agent, which they didn't know at the time was an agent, wa- getting out of the vehicle, um, walking up to the passenger side, yelling, "Stop," and, and then shooting, uh, through an, uh, opened window on the passenger side, which passed right by, um, my client Victor and, and unfortunately hit Lorenzo.

Um, then they looked around.

Victor thought he had been shot.

Um, Ruby Powers, talk about the significance of this, which would mean that the witnesses cannot be deported to other countries.

So w- what does Victor say happened?

They were being chased by these, uh, or pursued by these unmarked vehicles, a, a few of them.

Um, they, there was no indication who they were.

There was no, um, signs or, or anything.

They, they thought they could've been gangs or bandits or criminals.

They were really un- unclear.

Um, and then after some pursuit, um, an officer got, or an individual got out of a vehicle, walked, came up to the s- passenger side of the van, said, "Stop," and then shot.

Yes

What other arguments have been made though, Ruby, for why the Trump administration's intending to end this program?

Well, the, the whole debate was whether or not there could be judicial review, and the reason why was for the equal protection and the racial animus argument, and that was rejected, uh, even though there's been a lot of, um, documentation and wording by Trump and the administration themselves of the reasoning of why they wanted to reduce or, or to, to, uh, to terminate T- the TPS for Haiti, Syria, and many other.

Of the 17 designations, the Trump administration has moved to, uh, to terminate 13 of them, and the remaining are all set to expire later this year.

So that, that's the biggest concern, and if you think about why Ha- the Haitian TPS was, was created back by the Obama administration in 2010, it was because of a 7.0, uh, earthquake, and we just had one last week in Venezuela, but yet Venezuelan TPS, um, has been terminated.

So, uh, TPS has been here, although yes, it's temporary, but it's been here because of these issues in other countries, and it gives a humanitarian, uh, option for individuals temporarily to be here, and, and in the process, they, they are- take jobs.

They, they rent homes.

They drive cars, and they help our economy, and, um, I think we're gonna see a huge hit to our economy in Texas and the US once they, um, start phasing out and, and start leaving the country if they can't find other forms, uh, of relief to stay here in the US.

Uh, TPS or otherwise, Ruby, if we see the Trump administration continue to crack down not just on illegal immigration, but further limit legal immigration, what happens in those industries here in greater Houston?

So I wanna marry, uh, like, and we'll start with you, Ruby, like, just I wanna talk to the difference between bad results and unmet expectations, and how can we manage the difference between those in managing our client satisfaction with us, and to Gyi's point, what they say about us to others and, you know, our best marketing that, that's, that could be out there.

Well, I'm filing things with the government.

Immigration's, like, the most collegial practice area.

We're, we're pretty much always, you know, working alongside each other in some comp- so we don't, not like family law where there's, like, opposing parties, you know, that type of thing.

What, back to, like, managing their expectations, I guess it's like I'm, I'm just being straight up with them on what I think might happen, and, and if there needs...

Like, right now, immigration's a tough practice area.

It is nearly impossible to get an asylum approved.

What about the rest of the team? Like, i- if you've got a miserable team, how can you really deliver client satisfaction? What do you need to be doing with your, with everybody in your firm in order to make sure that the client satisfaction part is met?

Syrians and Haitians specifically before the high court?

So, uh, Haiti, um, was given TPS back in 2010 and Syria 2012.

Um, and we're impacting about 350,000 for the Haitians that have TPS, 6,000 Syrians.

So the DHS under Christine, uh, Nome, she just, they basically discontinued the TPSs, um, saying conditions are betterAnd, you know, very briefly, and the Department of State said, "Sure, yeah." And [laughs] even though on other places of their website it says, "Americans, do not go to these countries." [laughs] Um, anyway, the, the argue- the lower courts were, uh, moved it all the way up to the Supreme Court because they said it was based off of, uh, motivated by racial animus, and, and it was against the equal protection, um, guarantees of the law.

And so that's really the ar- what's going on here is can the Department of Homeland Security...

What was the motive for them to get rid of TPS for these two countries? And, and the other argument here is, from the Trump administration, is can this be even be reviewed by the court at all? Um, and, and so that's...

It's, it's really not just about TPS.

That seems like a much, much bigger question.