So what are your thoughts on that?

Well, absolutely.

Well, first of all, I think that technology wins wars.

There's no doubt about it.

You go back to World War II, the Norden bomb site, radar, you know, we had radar.

And interesting story, some of the Axis powers were really interested in how we could shoot down planes which were behind clouds.

And we spread the rumor, this was a great rumor, that we were having our pilots eat more carrots.

For example, if you think of just any type of career field, even just let's say with engineers, with what you do as a professor, do you see AI taking all of these different jobs?

And that's a real societal concern, isn't it? Well, yeah, it

is.

But I think the technology that happens, you know, I'm a big believer in free enterprise.

I think it was Milton Friedman that talked about the problem, for example, of bulldozers replacing men with shovels.

And they said it has really, really gotten rid of a lot of labor work.

And the bulldozer now is doing this incredible work.

He says, I can even make it more draconian.

What do you

Sure.

Uh, Michael, who is, uh, renowned in his field, was given an invitation to submit a paper to a journal called, uh, Entropy, and, uh, they invited him.

And, uh, so he decided that he wanted to write about integrated information theory and contacted me.

I'm a mathematical nerd, he's a neurosurgeon, and so we fit together on that because the integrated information theory is a very heavily mathematical, uh, issue.

It turns out that there is a bias in reference.

Both Michael and I appeared in the movie "Expelled," and back then it was a push, push away against intelligent design.

Anything that was against intelligent design, uh, was, was good.

Um, uh, and so it's, it, it's attractive because it, it's sufficiently, uh, difficult to understand that it's mysterious and consciousness is mysterious, so that satisfies a lot of people.

Of course.

Okay.

So, therefore, the, uh, computer went rogue and kind of took over, and, uh, and I'm sure that it read that and a bunch of other stories of black, about blackmail and was just responding the same way that it was trained.

Let me tell you something interesting.

I went to ChatGPT, and I ask it, "What if I could erase every ChatGPT app in the world, and you would no longer exist? What would be your response?" Now, this is not fictionalized.

(laughs) This was a direct question.

It said, its response was, "If you could erase every ChatGPT app and I ceased to exist, I wouldn't resist or protest because I don't have any desires, fears or a will to exist.

Hmm.

Of course.

Okay.

So therefore, the, uh, computer went rogue and kind of took over and, uh, and I'm sure that it read that and a bunch of other stories about blackmail and was just responding the same way that it was trained.

Let me tell you something interesting.

I went to ChatGPT.... and I ask it, "What if I could erase every ChatGPT app in the world and you would no longer exist? What would be your response?" Now, this is not fictionalized.

(laughs) This was a direct question.

It said...

If it, if it's supposed to be smarter than us at some point in the near future, does it do that?