I guess, yeah, maybe it would be useful, actually, just to understand, like what is integrative counseling to people who are listening?

Integrative counseling isn't just one modality, and there are lots of different ways to think about what integration means in terms of a psychotherapy.

Some models of integration will take principles from different psychotherapies, like humanism and psychodynamic theory, and they'll combine them into a single approach.

For example, Clara Hill, who is a professor of psychology, uh, has a kind of three-stage, uh, integrative model, and what she does is she starts in a kind of humanistic way on building a relationship with the client.

It's about empathy and acceptance, about walking in the shoes of the client.

After a while, uh, the second phase is then analyzing, perhaps from an unconscious perspective or just thinking about what the client is bringing, what kinds of psychological patterns and habits they're forming.

And then the third part is to then think about behavior change.

Mm-hmm

I think it's gonna feel a little strange the next time you get on an airplane.

Oh, it, it, let me tell you, it's...

The first time I went in an airplane, it was a jet, and I had to fly to Texas to shoot a commercial for Pro Six, one of our sponsors at Texas Show.

[laughs] And I had my camera guy here and Bree sitting next to me 'cause she's gonna be in the commercial.

You know, that's my co-host on the Fishing Report, and we, I cry all the way there.

But the funny part was, I, you know, I never lost my sense of humor, I'll tell you.

So we get there, and the stewardess, she checks on us a couple times, sees me, I'm upset, and Bree's telling her.

How would you like to be remembered?