And it's a very, very different situation from what I've seen in northern Arabia with the Bedouin.

Well, interesting question, because in East Africa, there was, if I want to go back into colonial anthropology, there was a lot of discussion about, you know, chiefs, chiefdoms, and stateless societies, and the pastoralists were always considered the so-called acephalous, you know, very, you know, I know Jan Lewis even wrote a book about pastoral democracy as kind of being equal and so on.

But Let me jump into, I'll jump into the work that I did in Somalia, because Somalia simply was stateless.

And what was interesting was, you know, when Siad Bari, who was a large livestock owner himself, was president, there was all of this sort of sense that, wow, you'll have a pastoral president And he'll be very pro-pastoralism and all of that.

And it did not work that way.

Had the same sort of forced settlerization, large scale irrigated settlement projects, all of this and that.

So I don't want to go through the whole story, but the state, you know, the state basically collapsed in 91.

So, you know, what do you think are those, you know, Is that relevance still important? Is it significant? What are some things we can draw from the study of pastoralism for a contemporary economic anthropology?