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I- it kinda makes that case.

It's like we, we, we've obviously, maybe especially in the north and western mindset, have just kind of, um, used, seen our resources as infinite and, like, we're just gonna extract, extract, extract, and build and build and build, and maybe not think about what it's like to be human.

Now, I personally think that we've all, we've kinda gone past that and we're realizing, like, okay, we have finite resources on the planet.

Um, how do we do things in an eco-friendly way, blah, blah, blah.

So I think it's, it's, it's happening already, that we're coming back to the eagle energy, taking care of the ear- or condor energy, taking care of the earth, shifting our focus, and, um, yeah.

And, and even, like, in mainstream, so part of this, like, the, the ethos of the film, it came from this guy's vision in Ayahuasca, and it's been interesting to see Ayahuasca and plant medicine kinda go back to, like, in the mainstream now, especially with, like, Rogan talking about psychedelics, like Elon, blah, blah, blah, Lex Fridman.

Yeah.

Can you tell us about what drew you to foreign policy? What's the origins of your interest in foreign policy?

Well, my first interest was in Asia because my father's brother was executed by the Japanese on the death march in San Daken in Borneo.

And so in a sense, we were dragged to Asia, Australia was dragged to Asia.

in the defence of the Malays, the Malay Peninsula, Singapore, and of course the British there.

And we were let down very badly by the British on this occasion, right? Curtin said that, I'll get the quote for you, it was an inexcusable betrayal of Australia.

In other words, we're on our own.

And I've always believed we're on our own and therefore relying on great powers, whether it be Britain then or the United States now, is an error of judgement.

But can you tell us a bit about those two months, but particularly the meeting with Bush, because that's the most critical.

And I think it's worth it, all of it.

It was a lot.

My buddy Walt and the, the director, Director Hodl, Matt, my friend, um, we met at a Bitcoin meetup on the beach in Costa Rica.

Found the event on Twitter, and we both just wound up there and met each other.

Um, and I think it was really ironic.

He ended up filming an audition for some commercial that happened to be for Square.

Um, [chuckles] and then we ended up doing this whole film together.

So w- what are you saying by calling the movie that?

So where's the love for XJ40s come from for you?

Oh, from childhood I was born at the same time as XJ40 so I'm turning 40 with the cars.

My mum and dad were always Jaguar owners.

They had Series 3s and when the XJ40 was launched they were launch customers.

um and during production run they had four xj40 so i grew up with the cars um so even though i was young um and i think they sold their last one when i was about 12 they made an impression that left lasted a lifetime and they were a constant growing up went to school went on holidays my dad's from liverpool my mom's from edinburgh so up and down the m6 with a cassette on xj40 was our we spent so much time in them and it was just something that no other car that they had after it gripped as much as what these car did so yeah when did you get your first one um i bought mine first one i've got three just now and i bought the first one 17 years ago and still got it and i bought it at a time when things were just a little bit rough in life and i just thought i just want to buy something i always promised myself a 40 I'd taken on a mortgage and thought, should I buy an old car? But I just saw one.

I thought, I like that.

And that was it.

Maybe give me a quick sort of overview of that and what your opinion is on the changing perception of the car since 1986 to today.

Yes.

So we're going to figure it out.

And there's a lot of cool products coming out.

I used to work for Daylight Computer.

You know Daylight? Yes, yes, of course.

I have it.

Thinking about the root cause, I love the daylight so much.

You have to be Mowgli first.