Mm-hmm.

So I was kind of over and back.

It sounds so odd that the kind of, the center for all this testing is in Dundee in Scotland, which really doesn't see any sunshine, but the patients would all have to travel there to get tested.

Um, and then the National Photobiology Centre is in the Mater, so I spent y- years of my life working there.

Um, so I was a consultant there in public practice for five years, and then as Catriona said, we were working alongside each other.

I was in private and then public practice, and then that's when we decided.

And it's nearly seven years ago since we opened the institute.

Yeah.