And I just want to sit here and listen to your wisdom.

Okay.

Well, we'll be about 10 minutes if it's my wisdom.

I mean, this started for me in another meeting where I wasn't expecting it at all, sort of about 200, 300 people, and I got name-checked as being a pillar.

And I sat there thinking, that sounds like an all right thing, but you don't want to be called.

It's just like I prefer to be called lots of other things rather than a pillar.

And the guy used that analogy about saying, There are people that are using their platforms for leadership and there are people that are pillars in leadership.

So how do you think that we can stretch this metaphor to give us the tools to give our communities the strength to build healthier futures?

[laughs]

... uh, and I would just tell her that I was breathing enthusiastically.

She is a, a very light sleeper and always has been, and it just got progressively worse.

So we've been married for 10 years, but we've been sleep divorced for about nine months now.

To be honest, it was quite a slow and painful process because, um, it was just something that I wasn't ready to accept.

I guess the, the, the real point came when she became perimenopausal, and her sleep patterns just got really bad.

Uh, my snoring over the years apparently got progressively worse.

Mm.