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Um, it is a lot to talk about.

I think that's just like inherent with, um, the topic, honestly.

Um, you know, design, communication design has a lot of ground to cover, you know.

Um, historically, you know, it's been one of the main contributors to, you know, perpetuating mass consumption and production.

And so, you know, really it's about how do we kind of reframe that, recontextualize that into, uh, you know, toward more climate-centric ways and messaging and, um, materials that we're using.

So really thinking about, like you were saying, like this kind of overarching, um, presence of, you know, the topic, but also the practice is, you know, encapsulating that, um, idea that in this kind of, um, post-digital era that we're in of this information age, we have so much available to us, technology, materials, information constantly surrounding us.

... who, who doesn't share our privilege to, to think about it.