But how do these leakers leak? And we don't know who they are and we have no way to prosecute them.

Well, on being shot, that's our commander-in-chief speaking.

Shooting from the hip, yeah.

Well, he's speaking in a rally, and he's speaking in the way that a lot of troops feel.

When your life is put at risk by the mission, when your life is put at risk by the enemy, That's one thing.

When your life is put at risk by some gossip in the E-ring of the Pentagon, that's unjustifiable.

So, you know, what's the correct punishment for a leaker? Well, certainly a court-martial, a prison, a long sentence.

Your response to that is Captain Morgan Murphy.

No,

it's a good question.

I would say it's a fair question.

Should we be buying anything from Russia? But that's the exact same question I would pose to the Europeans.

They have been buying gas and oil for Russia for decades.

And President Trump warned them way back in 2016, like, what are you doing? You are undermining your own national security.

So if it doesn't matter to the Europeans and they're continuing to buy oil and gas from Russia, well, why shouldn't we? That is the basic premise.

So how does this Russia-Ukraine thing even play out a year from now if this war is over? Why? How does the region look different?

Can we bring diesel prices down by making a big, big deal to import diesel from Russia? Probably just raw economics would indicate that might bring diesel prices down a little bit, but wow, do we want to be involved in any kind of trade deal with Russia? What are the optics of that? So how, how did that strike you in terms of what we supposedly wanna have happen in the whole, in the whole Russia versus Ukraine conflict as this diesel deal would make sense?

No, it's a, it's a good question.

I would, I would say, uh, it's a, it's, it's a fair question.

Uh, should we be buying anything from, from Russia? But that's the exact same question I would pose to the Europeans.

They have been buying gas and oil for Russian for decades, and President Trump warned them way back in 2016, like, "What are you doing? You are undermining your own national security." So if it doesn't matter to the Europeans, and they're continuing to buy oil and gas from Russia, well, why shouldn't we? That is, uh, the basic premise.

You know, my, my Democrat friends are highly critical of the w- of, uh, the president getting into a war with Iran, and my response to them is, "The president didn't get us into this war." Uh, Iran has been attacking the United States and American interests for 48 years, uh, literally since 1979, from the, uh, 50, 57 hostages held for 444 days to the Beirut bombings, to Khobar Towers, to 9/11, which a trial here, a, a court here in the United States, uh, held Iran liable for, uh, to, to just one attack after another.

Hijackings and, um, the Houthis in the Red Sea attacking more than 100 ships.

So, so what, uh, h- how does this Russia-Ukraine thing even play out a year from now if this war is over? How does the region look different?

Yeah.

And it, the fact that it just merely crossed his lips means that he's been talking about Cuba with Marco Rubio.

I think that is the clearest message to come out of what he said yesterday.

It's on his mind.

And if you're a communist regime 90 miles off the coast of Florida, and the president of the United States mentions Venezuela and your regime in the same breath, I don't think it's a good thing, Rob.

Yeah.

It is going to expand productivity, and it's going to expand our economy just like it, it did in the '90s.

And people say, "Oh, it's gonna take away...

What do you put this weird friendship down to?

No, that's it's classic Trump.

And people just don't know him.

His his chief critics just don't understand the man.

But if you take a step back and I think if historians are being true to this president, when they look back, they'll say, gosh, look, he put he put a Kennedy.

on his staff as a cabinet official, a lifelong Democrat.

He put another Democrat as charge of his national security agency who ran for president herself, Tulsi Gabbard.

You're

Um, what do you think? Do you think this is the right approach for president?

Well, it's a direct approach, and the President's absolutely right.

I mean, you think about our president has the most exquisite intelligence in the world, and he certainly has noticed a spike in diesel prices and is looking at what's causing that.

Uh, the president certainly knows that Russia in 2025 was the world's second-largest producer of diesel, and diesel, as you know, is the workhorse of fuels.

It, you know, powers big rigs and, uh, tractor trailers and farm equipment And it, it's what our industry, uh, runs on and needs.

And so the president has seen that supply in Russia get taken down by 80% in the past year, and he's, he sees a direct correlation with prices.

It's not moving the needle much militarily for Ukraine, but it is hurting, uh, truckers everywhere across the globe because diesel's a global commodity.

Mm.

Look, national security expert Morgan Murphy, of course, what have you made of how Pete Hegseth has taken the Department of War, as it's now called, like his leadership of it?

Well, I admire Pete Hegseth, and I admire him for several reasons.

And I worked for, I should say that I was the press secretary to the secretary of then defense in the last Trump administration.

So I was the press secretary to Mark Esper, and then I was press secretary to acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller.

It's an enormously demanding job.

It requires a level of focus that I think few people have.

And the Department of Defense, now the Department of War, is so vast, it's really hard for an ordinary person to get their head around just how big this bureaucracy is and just how entrenched this bureaucracy is.

When you talk to people, you know, around your area, are people wary about data centres or are they embracing the idea that it could bring down taxes for them?

This is above my pay grade, so please tell me more.

Well, the president has been a critical has been a critic of the steam based.

I'm sorry of the magnetic pulse propulsion launchers on the Ford in particular because they were plagued by years of delay.

And this is one thing that Trump really does well, whether it's, you know, giant capital ships like we have in the U.S. Navy or the Air Force's premier ships.

transportation for the president, Air Force One, he gets into the weeds.

And there's no doubt about who is in control.

And I was working for General Kellogg at the White House.

So what can you tell us about what the sailors could actually be dealing with? And obviously, I think you've got a unique perspective now.

... we need to take extremely seriously.

We do.

And I, I think we need to take their rhetoric very seriously, and we, we are seeing straight up communists being elected to, to office.

I mean, when you look at Mondame in New York, New York is, it is not gonna work out well for New York City.

I lived, was a New Yorker for, for eight years of my life back in the '90s when I actually moved to New York the day Giuliani took office and left right before 2001, and the transformation of that city under a Republican mayor who stopped things like petty crime, who, uh, empowered his police department to go after, you know, turnstile jumpers.

They found that when they, uh, cracked down on quality of life issues, they also found major crime syndicates.

And it cleaned up New York and made it the city it is today.

They all sound great, but you don't h- you need that, uh, clear view of what actually happens when a country goes down that path, which we just haven't had for 30 years, so people don't know the threat.

Do you hear any of that madness at a conservative protest? Uh, or, or is this something that they have been grooming since, um, Occupy Wall Street?

It, it, it has, and you're like going back to Occupy Wall Street, and the crazy banging of drums, and it's just being loud.

And Democrats are loud.

Uh, they're probably, you know, your, your listeners know, they, they...

All of us have, um, liberal friends, um, on Facebook, online, and it...

Guaranteed, it's the liberal that makes the most noise, that comments the most atrocious things online, that says, that sticks a sign in their yard, that's publicly pros- uh, you know, publicly, um, yelling at the top of their lungs in city streets, and it's a lack of civility.

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I was speaking, um, a couple nights ago with a very senior member of the administration, friend, and we said, "You know, thank goodness, um, that this kind of conflict has happened with a regional power as opposed to a Russia or a China," because the nature of war has evolved so quickly under, right under our noses in the past five years, where the Navy, uh, in particular, and the Air Force, are really getting, um, prepared for great power conflict with a regional player.

Now, I, one of the things is, that always I think people kinda miss the point is that we still wear the white gloves when we're dealing with, uh, a, a country like this that does not have any rules at all.

That's right.

You know, it always frustrated me.

I'm a veteran of Afghanistan, and I would hear Americans say, "Oh, Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires.

We can't win it." I was like, "That is just such crap." We could, we could pound Afghanistan into glass, put fat back on our feet, and skate all over it.

Uh, but we are trying to be nice.

We're trying to be the good guys.

I mean, it's only been four months.

Do you think that that actually had the opposite effect where a lot of young people, a lot of young men in particular, became less likely to enlist because it almost seemed like less of a challenge because the standards were lower?

Well, I mean, one, they looked at the leadership and they looked at Afghanistan and they saw us tuck our tail and run and leave our shipmates behind and leave our working dogs behind and leave $85 billion behind.

And the military is a family business.

I serve because both of my grandfathers served.

Both grandfathers were in the European theater of World War II.

And that's how a young person joins.

But once they get in there, once they really get into the recruiter's office and they're thinking about signing on that dotted line, what they're looking for is purpose.

Has there been a tangible shift that you can feel when you are talking with folks serving in the military, when you're in the Pentagon, when you're in those spaces? Yeah.

What do you make of that decision?

Well, and this is really important.

I mean, the president has said this is insane.

We're one of the only countries in the world that allows people to come here illegally, have a baby, and that baby is considered an American citizen.

That's the whole crux of this issue.

We've got, you know, Chinese, red Chinese mothers coming in and they come on a tourist visa and have a baby here, and then we've got an American citizen who's really loyal to the Chinese Communist Party.

That's a national security emergency.

How damaging is the ability for someone to be born in America and be given American citizenship? How much does that undermine Donald Trump's overall anti-immigration agenda?

Yeah.

And now we're seeing why we have such a strong Navy and why it's so vitally important that we have a strong Navy, because it is the center of great power conflict.

If you're gonna get into it, uh, with a, a competent country, that is, a country with a air force, a country with air defenses, a country with a navy, well, by God, you need the United States Navy.

And we've been fighting, we've been fighting Muslim terrorists since the very founding of our navy back in the 1800s when we-

Yeah.

How interesting.

Well, just like Ukraine isn't our war, but we're helping you with that.

So it, it really, to me, uh, as somebody who's spent twenty-six years in the military, I've worked in national security at the White House, at the Pentagon, at the State Department, and to me, that was a huge eye-opener, and it's what Trump has been saying about NATO all along, is that they're not reliable allies.

So, uh, what are the odds that you could see someone like Reza Pahlavi come in and take control and unify the country versus, uh, civil breakdown and po- potentially even civil war?

Reza Pahlavi is interesting and, uh, has been in preparation for this moment for a long time.

I, I read his statement this morning with interest.

I've been following him pretty closely here for the past three months, and he's very measured, uh, very diplomatic.

I think he's following, uh, in the King of Jordan's footsteps, uh, and he's calling now for action on behalf of the people of Iran.

And if they follow that, then I think he has a legitimate, uh, claim to shepherd in democracy, uh, or some other form of government in Iran.

I don't think that's the administration's, uh, stated goal here.

Uh, do you think that this changed anything for Xi and his calculus?

So, uh, what are the odds that you could see someone like Reza Pahlavi come in and take control and unify the country versus, uh, civil breakdown and po- potentially even civil war?

Reza Pahlavi is interesting and, uh, has been in preparation for this moment for a long time.

I, I read his statement this morning with interest.

I've been following him pretty closely here for the past three months, and he's very measured, uh, very diplomatic.

I think he's following, uh, in the King of Jordan's footsteps, uh, and he's calling now for action on behalf of the people of Iran, and if they follow that, then I think he has a legitimate, uh, claim to shepherd in democracy, uh, or some other form of government in Iran.

I don't think that's the administration's, uh, stated goal here.

Uh, uh, Trump is very transactional, very pragmatic.

Uh, do you think that this changed anything for Xi and his calculus?

So, uh, what are the odds that you could see someone like Reza Pahlavi come in and take control and unify the country versus, uh, civil breakdown and po- potentially even civil war?

Reza Pahlavi is interesting and, uh, has been in preparation for this moment for a long time.

I, I read his statement this morning with interest.

I've been following him pretty closely here for the past three months, and he's very measured, uh, very diplomatic.

I think he's following, uh, in the King of Jordan's footsteps, uh, and he's calling now for action on behalf of the people of Iran.

And if they follow that, then I think he has a legitimate, uh, claim to shepherd in democracy, uh, or some other form of government in Iran.

I don't think that's the administration's, uh, stated goal here.

Uh, do you think that this changed anything for Xi and his calculus?

And I think those days are past us, uh, Morgan Murphy.

I pray they're, I pray they're past us.

You know, when I look at Minnesota, I think, "Well, maybe not." You know? Uh, it was Minnesota, after all, that kicked off the riots over George Floyd in twenty twenty.

I couldn't bury my own father that year.

We could not have a funeral for him, uh, because of COVID.

And yet George Floyd, just three weeks, died three weeks after my father passed away.

George Floyd was allowed to have a funeral, uh, with six thousand people in attendance.

Mm-hmm.

What are your thoughts?

Well, it is a senseless bloodbath, but it is probably the hardest Rubik's Cube any president has had to solve since the Cuban Missile Crisis.

And if you think back to that crisis, the Cuban Missile Crisis, when a small southern neighbor of the U.S., tried to align itself with our major geopolitical rival at the time, the Soviet Union, we lost our minds.

We invaded.

We tried to kill Fidel Castro.

We went to DEFCON 1.

We brought the world to the brink of nuclear Armageddon.

Please let him do better.

What do you think?

You know, I think you're right.

And I think the Ayatollah and his entire regime has been on a suicide kamikaze path with us since the regime's very inception.

They call us the great Satan.

They make no They make no secret of their hatred of the United States and the West and everything that we hold dear as Americans.

We don't have any common values with the leadership of Iran.

We do have a lot of common values with the people of Iran who are suffering terribly under this regime.

that what Americans wanted there?

I'm curious to get your take.

Well, the media has always gotten it wrong.

The traditional left wing media has always gotten America first wrong.

They confuse America first with isolationism.

And that's not it at all.

MAGA trusts President Trump to carry out what needs to be done without bogging us down, as you said, in endless forever wars where there are no American interests.

I was in Afghanistan in 2011 and 2010.

How do you think this ultimately pans out? How will and should President Trump proceed in this particular escalation?

Right.

They have been in wars over there forever.

I am running for Senate on an America First platform saying, "Let's not get involved in European wars where there isn't a direct American interest." In Ukraine, there are no American businesses.

There are no American citizens to speak of.

There's no American territory.

Uh, this is a European problem.

We're glad to help.

Yeah

Coach Tuberville.

Coach Tuberville, yeah, thank you.

Uh, and he- he was...

You know, we were both new to Washington, but watching the procurement system, what happens is, you know, you want to build a, you know, an aircraft.

You put a nut and bolt factory in all 435 House districts and make sure it's represented everywhere so they can go in and see the congressman and say, "Look, we got 40 jobs in your district." Or, "We got- we're building such and such in your district." And they get across these albatrosses that nobody wants.

I was literally in a meeting with Coach at...

I hadn't been in the Senate for probably two months, and we're sitting there with another senator, I won't say his name, but he- he- he turned to Coach and he said, "Hey, uh, hey, Senator, why don't you put, uh- why don't we put five ships in the bill, and you take three for Alabama and I'll take two for my state?" And I- I'm a Navy captain.

Right.

Captain, rumor has it people are telling me that you're going to run to replace him, sir.

That's right.

I just launched, Steve, last month.

I jumped in the race.

I worked for Coach.

I was his national security advisor.

Also worked for President Trump in the first and the second term.

Aren't you better served, or don't you better serve the president of the country now going back in the administration? Maybe we get you over to the Department of War to help clean out the mess over there instead of running what's going to be a debating society, sir?

Do you think the president should give them Tomahawks?

You know, I, I, I think the pressure point on Ukraine is, uh, oil.

R- Russia is a, an oil and, and gas, they're a big, they're a big gas station, right? With nuclear weapons.

And so, the, the interesting thing I think that's being discussed is the shadow fleet.

Uh, Biden never did really put pressure on Russia's oil.

He didn't wanna drive up, oil's a global commodity, he didn't wanna drive up the price of oil at the pump and risk his election future by making ga-, you know, Americans pay five bucks for gasoline at, at the pump.

Uh, but this president, President Trump, has restored relations with Saudi Arabia, uh, he's got, he, he's, we're, we're pumping an additional million dollar, million barrels of oil a day in the United States since he took office.

How do you think it's functioning?