I don't understand it.

Well, you know, in the case of this guy, the male murderer, they're going to have trouble coming up with the equivalent of postpartum depression, which is what they were.

Obviously, they were trying to pin the Lindsay Clancy murders on for the guy.

I don't know if it's like the Yankees lose or something.

I get a little hangry.

That could be it.

But but we would never accept those as excuses.

I'm just curious to hear Michael's take on all this.

I want you to stand and tell the truth out loud with your name on it, but I want you to tell it lovingly.

Oh, you're wearing cargo

Welcome back to Remembering Charlie Kirk right here on Real America's Voice.

Thank you very much.

It's very kind.

Thank you very much.

Thank you all of you for being here.

Thank you very much.

And I keep thinking, what would Charlie think about the current political landscape? How would he attack, you know, talking to people out there whenever it seems like so many people have just gone way off the deep end, especially in the Democrat Party?

Well, the state of the midterm elections might very well be different had Charlie not been murdered.

That is how significant he was.

I'm so glad you bring up the personal points here on Charlie's wife and his kids, because I owed Charlie a text the day he was murdered.

I don't text anybody back as a character failing of mine.

And I was driving to work that day and I said, oh, shoot, Charlie texted me a few days ago.

I owe him a text.

What is your take on all this, Michael?

What do we know about the incident?

Yeah, that, that account has been revised a little bit.

It now appears that Zelensky's plane, Ukrainian plane, was on the tarmac in Moldova's capital, Chisinau, and then a drone cr- unexpectedly crossed into Moldova's airspace.

And Moldova's a very tiny country, so this was immediately seen as a, a concern, a, a threat.

Um, so Zelensky's plane was delayed on the ground for about an hour.

Um, and then it, uh, the, the drone crashed about 100 miles away, and Zelensky was allowed to take off and, and fly to Norway.

So the Norwegian prime minister may have, have gotten a little ahead of himself there.

When did these drone incursions into NATO territory start ramping up, and why would the Kremlin risk provoking NATO like this?

Why is it that a conservative can't walk onto a college campus without armed security, but a Democrat or a liberal could do the same? It's years of this culture that's built up on college campuses where conservatives didn't have, I don't want to say a safe space, but like an actual security safe space where they could go onto a college campus and have a debate with one another.

This is an existential problem for the right.

The reason that that happens is because the left has a political vision of substantive goods and the right has a political vision of procedural norms.

That's actually why it happened.

So the left has all sorts of its own problems.

It can't walk away from the woke stuff now.

All of the candidates, even if they say woke one is crazy, they can't tell you how because they're beholden to these radical ideologies that are very unpopular.

goes to religion.

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... 'cause I, I agree.

It, you know, uh, some people, uh, you know, if you don't go to college, even if you know that's the right thing and you know that so much of what's taught in college is a bunch of nonsense, still you can have this fear.

There's a little bit of an intimidation.

You say, "Well, I don't, I just don't know.

You know, I didn't have this experience." And, uh, uh, for Charlie, that was really unnecessary.

I mean, he was obviously such a generational talent.

Michael, uh, thank you for doing it, and just a quick word from you on, on this evening.

Michael, uh, thank you for doing it, and just a quick word from you on, on this evening.

It's my honor.

I was really honored to be asked to do it.

I'm happy to do it.

Uh, I think it's really important to go out there.

I'm, I'm actually, I'm very impressed that, that TPUSA is going to, 'cause it's obviously very painful to ...

Uh, we, we're gonna do a memorial for Charlie on the year anniversary of his murder, of course.

Your, your take.

Yeah.

When it comes to Hungary, yes, the Hungary policy failed to increase birth rates to replacement levels, and it failed spectacularly at that.

However, we should remember there were some wins to the Hungarian family policy.

Uh, it did increase, in the short run, it increased the fertility rate by about 30%.

Marriages doubled, divorce plummeted.

There were big wins.

Now, there were lots of other problems in Hungary, and there remain big problems in Hungary.

Yes

What was your take?

Well, I think...

No, I think you hit it right there at the end, which is the fact that this was not, uh, an ambiguous jury deliberation.

It, it appears to have been entirely lopsided in favor of letting this woman off the hook.

On top of the public reaction to this, which I think has been rather psychotic as well, I, I think shows you that something more is going on beyond n-nuanced deliberations over the nature of the statute in Mas-Massachusetts.

Uh, your other excellent point is that psychology is this very muddled s-science or pseudoscience.

Psychologists don't even know what psychology is anymore.

If psych causing you to be psychotic, then I mean-

You could say the president's entitled to do these things, or it's good for him that he's standing up for principle on AI, but the president's doing a lot of very unpopular things here two months before the election.

Yeah, it's tricky because I do think the president is making long-term investments.

I mean, certainly with AI and the data centers, that is a long-term investment.

I don't see how you can side with the kind of populism against the data centers.

Obviously, there are some ways this should be regulated, and you don't want energy costs to go up where the data centers are built.

But we are in a war with China right now, and we're in an AI arms race.

And so I think he's standing up in the right way for long-term gains.

So tell me what you think the contours of a mythical Vance Cruz one-on-one nomination fight would look like.

Are we an isolationist party that withdraws from the world or do we believe in American leadership? Translate that for us.

Well, I don't think it needs a lot of translation.

If I were reading this and divorcing my affection for all of these guys and longstanding relationship and everything with them, what I would say, if I were an alien from outer space, is I would read that as Senator Cruz clearly setting up a showdown for 2028 and observing that he is a very plausible presidential candidate.

Don't forget, we have foggy memory going back to 2016.

Ted Cruz almost won the nomination.

He came very, very close.

And had Marco Rubio dropped out in Florida, Ted Cruz very, very likely could have been the Republican nominee.

And Trump saying, hey, uh, I had my endorsement, what the heck, going on Truth Social immediately saying, J.D. Vance, not so fast, because he's going to be saying that from the White House.

So do you think we need a sort of, I feel your pain moment from Trump?

Well, you'll never get that.

You're just observing the president for a long time now.

I don't think you're ever going to get some saccharine mea culpa or anything like that, nor do I think he owes anybody a mea culpa.

But this is about managing expectations.

The Trump economic record is very, very good.

I mean, we've had... multiple stock market records throughout this administration, even the president's critics.

But I mean, it's a disaster for our country right now.

They're really struggling with what the rule should be, and you and I both know they're never gonna let these two join a, a WNBA team.

No, they can't.

I mean, the, it, the, the fact is the WNBA knows at a very basic level that men and women are different.

They know that men are better athletes than women b- basically across the board.

Uh, they, they, they understand the reason for the league's existence, but th- their audience doesn't want to admit it.

A lot of their players don't want to admit it.

They ha- they ha- have intrinsically, I guess, as a f- sort of feminist project, embraced the woke ideology, and what the woke ideology says, if you, if you really scratch these guys after a couple of drinks, it's not that they're really laboring under the delusion that men can become women.

It won't be good for the royals, but in the end, it's all about those two, so they don't care.

Have I got that right, that basically the DSA is fulfilling Russell Kirk's prophecy for the left?

Yes, there's no question about it.

And Kirk, I think, is a perfect conservative thinker to consider for these times.

Because when Russell Kirk is writing about conservatism, he's not writing about a particular ideology.

He doesn't say that you can put conservatism into three bullet points on the back of a napkin.

He says that conservatism is actually an anti-ideology.

It's the negation of ideology.

Michael Knowles, you've got about two minutes to comment on that.

In four years

... revanchism in the Western Hemisphere.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

And, uh, uh, it, it's a great...

The point on, on structural changes is the key 'cause it's, it's also why the socialists are really speaking to the moment right now, at least to a lot of people, is they are speaking about structural issues in a pretty tangible way where, whereas the Republicans and the Democrats flop on it.

... winning, and the other one is a quick, "We're gonna take care of your pain," and then it gets really ugly.

Yeah, right, right.

Of course, of cour- That, that, really, really good point.

What's your take on all this?

Well, thank you, sir.

The entire conservative movement was at each other's throats yesterday over a burrito.

They were at each other's burritos, which sounds evocative and kind of gross.

Uh, but the reason for this, it came out in that what you...

There and there, there she is.

Yeah, right.

Stock market's never been higher." If you're sitting at home crying about your grocery bill, that doesn't land well.

And

the irony of that too is, I was very skeptical of this of this second Iran intervention from the beginning.

I just did not because the mullahs don't deserve it.

But I just I didn't think it was necessarily going to turn out well.

Right.

And I basically haven't changed my view at all.

But the one thing that you can't put on Iran is the price of burritos, because actually the rise in the price of food has really leveled off.

that, exactly.

You only brought me here because I do a Fauci impression.

You wanted no other contribution whatsoever.

It was a trip down memory lane, wasn't it, to see Fauci on Capitol Hill? Usually when you take a trip down memory lane, it's for nice, warm feelings of nostalgia.

rather than what we got seeing Fauci, which is just burning feelings of contempt and a reminder of how awful it all was.

But the way it came about was pretty odd because you had two days, three days prior, this diary published.

and raised two questions.

One, where did they get the diary? And two, why did he keep a diary? Because the diary entries were revelatory only in as much as they confirmed every negative thought we had about Fauci.

So it's what you said, but on steroids and very depressing.

It seems to be pretty anti-conservative to me.

It's certainly anti-libertarian, and I think there's a shift in the conservative movement, uh, which for years had been dominated by libertarianism and neoconservatism, which are in some ways two sides of the same coin.

But what everybody agreed on was we need less government.

You know, we need, we need smaller government, uh, at least domestically.

Abroad, the neoconservatives want a lot more government.

Libertarians object to that.

But domestically, we all agreed we need less government.

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You knew him well, Michael.

[laughs] Yeah.

Yes, I, I did know him very well.

And, uh, but I say, "Look, it's, it's really not my position to state that.

Here are some things he said," whatever.

You guys have an actual institutional responsibility to answer those questions in a way that I do not, and I think you've done a very good job at it, as, as you just did now.

But from the, the standpoint of "The Charlie Kirk Show" and TPUSA, you really do have an institutional responsibility to do that.

So are- I guess the question is, is what is motivating this? Is it what it seems to a lot of people that this is primarily just about the Iran war and the fact that Vance has become, so to speak, the face of, "I don't want a full regime change in Iran"? Are there other factors going into this? Uh, help us to understand what's driving this intense wish casting, if that's what it is.

You knew him well, Michael.

[laughs] Yeah.

Yes, I, I did know him very well.

And, uh, but I say, "Look, it's, it's really not my position to state that.

Here are some things he said," whatever.

You guys have an actual institutional responsibility to answer those questions in a way that I do not, and I think you've done a very good job at it, as, as you just did now.

But from the, the standpoint of "The Charlie Kirk Show" and TPUSA, you really do have an institutional responsibility to do that.

So I guess the question is, is what is motivating this? Is it what it seems to a lot of people that this is primarily just about the Iran war and the fact that Vance has become, so to speak, the face of, "I don't want a full regime change in Iran"? Are there other factors going into this? Uh, help us to understand what's driving this intense wish casting, if that's what it is.

What is really going on here, Michael Knowles?

Well, I think from the outset, for people who've never worked on a political campaign, it's a little bit confusing, especially if you haven't worked in the political media.

However, if you haven't worked in those things, you know exactly what's going on, which is that people are always running these kinds of messaging campaigns, whether they're geared at supporting or harming a certain candidate or an idea or a policy.

That's what's going on.

That was the vice president's great transgression was he just cited this Time magazine article, which said there was a campaign against the MOU or advocating for one position in the Iran war or the other.

And for that, the way that I got kind of plugged into this was there was some account on X that tagged all three of us in expressing dismay specifically about the Charlie Kirk show.

And so I looked into it, and I see all these things on social media all the time.

I guess the question is, what is motivating this? Is it what it seems to a lot of people that this is primarily just about the Iran war and the fact that Vance has become, so to speak, the face of, I don't want a full regime change in Iran? Are there other factors going into this? Help us understand what's driving this intense wish casting, if that's what it is.

Watch.

Did you meet with Senator Dianne Feinstein on August 20th? I did meet with Senator Feinstein.

Did you know that her staff had already recommended a lawyer to Dr. Ford? I did not know that.

Did you know that her and her staff had this allegusi- allegations for over 20 days? I did not know that at the time.

If you wanted a FBI investigation, you could have come to us.

What you wanna do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open, and hope you win in 2020.

You said that, not me.

He- Lindsey Graham gave voice to it in a way no one else could or did.

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... wicked advisors.

It's JD Vance's fault.

It's, it's Jared Kushner's fault, someone else's fault." Uh, they all...

Now we've just completely flipped here.

But you know the one person who hasn't flipped is Trump, and you know what actually hasn't flipped is the American interest.

And so Trump has been very clear.

... basically one to one.

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... wicked advisors.

It's JD Vance's fault.

It's, it's Jared Kushner's fault.

Someone else's fault." Uh, they all...

Now we've just completely flipped here.

But you know the one person who hasn't flipped is Trump, and you know what actually hasn't flipped is the American interest.

... basically one to one.