But did you always just, like, think, "I can do that, that race that I'm watching," or, "I wanna try it or something"?

Yeah, definitely.

Like, I think-- I don't know who he ran with, but it was, like, a German pro pretty early on, like, one of the first, like, that kinda, like, did it.

And he popped the cherry really soon that, like, especially on the steep climbs, like, none of them is running.

And I was like, "Thank God." Like, I would've never [chuckles] gotten that good, but I'm pretty good at hiking now.

Yeah.

No, Anton was like, like, all those videos, like, indigenous choices and, like, the runner in winter, like, his-- Like, probably that's why he's, like, wrecked all the time now with his Achilles, but his, like, philosophy, like, his approach to running was so pure-

... everything too much.

I'm curious about that, like the month before the wedding, the wedding and the month after.

Yeah, like it's been a while before the wedding.

that I just didn't want to drink because it's like socially so accepted like here you can see it like people go out after they finish in their showrooms get shit faced the next morning they regret it yeah in the evening they do it again and I was just like sick of that everything around it involved with drinking like we could have a meaningful conversation and five beers deep you just search for another beer and i try to get laid and then like the nice evening and the good intentions are gone because then you're just like zombie right and i think yeah i wanted to do it for a while but i knew that we would marry soon and i knew that the social conventions would get me in trouble if I would have stopped like before, like my parents would be asking, all the guests would be like, hey, what's wrong? And I just didn't wanna deal with it.

I was like, all right, so we get married, we're gonna have my friends play here, we gonna smoke weed, we gonna do all of that.

And then the next day, nobody will ask for it anymore.

You know, I will always be like, yeah, like I'm done.

Cause then there's nothing of like social value that where I have to drink.

And if the way that you're choosing to go is counter to everyone else, does that motivate you more? Like knowing that you were going against the grain, is that a motivator? It

To, and to my surprise, there was so much energy here, but even over four years, like how has it evolved?

Oh, yeah, it's just got a lot more.

Like, before you had, yeah, some run activations, but not as many.

But now, yeah, all the brands do something.

You can pick and choose what you like, which is what I always like.

Like, if you don't fuck with one or the other brand, you don't have to go there.

You don't have to look at the stuff.

Yeah