What changed?

Well, the main thing that changed, as I've pointed out, at least in terms of the role of U.S. influence over elections in our hemisphere, has been the removal of USAID from the equation.

USAID has basically taken upon itself the mantle of influencing elections around the world.

And what you had under the Biden administration and the Obama administration and for parts of the first Trump administration, Parts that were not accountable to the White House.

I should note USAID was not on the White House National Security Council under Trump.

And so the White House really had no vision into what USAID was doing.

But what it was doing was funding all of the component parts of the political architecture of left wing movements all over Latin America and the Caribbean in order to tilt elections and tilt institutions towards a socialist policy.

But did the money actually transfer? Did we actually give that grantee the money?

So these US companies, they are seeking greater profits, and they will engineer it in whatever manner that they can, including supporting socialists that ultimately will want to destroy them as companies

... capitalist system.

And so you have a strange world in which oligarchs who belong to basically the DNC donor class have effectively used USAID or they pay their politicians to install personnel at USAID or in the intelligence community or the State Department or the War Department to do the opposite of what was done in the Cold War.

In the Cold War, there was...

And this is sort of the left-wing challenge to what I've presented, is they say, "Oh, really? You think USAID was trying to install leftist regimes in Latin America? May I remind you of Exhibit A, the 1940s through the 1980s when the CIA would go around toppling leftist regime after leftist regime in Latin America?" Business has evolved.

I'll give you some examples.

Think about what's happening right now in the AI space, where you have Anthropic and OpenAI who have been on this crusade to basically create government regulation that would effectively end open source models in AI under the idea that if we don't have some sort of regulatory super body that gives a kind of license to release new models to a handful of qualified AI companies, then the world will end.

Am I reading that correctly? Will that be the lasting Trump legacy? Can you architect out for us, like, how does Brazil enter into that entire mosaic?

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the USAID grantee websites of them training Alexandre de Moraes on disinformation.

You- they actually sent, some of their delegates included the same people they used to censor the 2020 election in the United States, including the Stanford Internet Observatory, the Atlantic Council Digital Forensics Research Lab, who were all sent down there and made, uh, basically, uh, members of the court task force.

You had insane situations where USAID, uh, was getting feedback from its grantees about how it was training the judges, and USAID...

I'm trying to think about if, how, what I'm at liberty to say.

There are documents that you can FOIA that, uh, would show how USAID would instruct its grantees to actually remove the USAID logo and change its guidance to the TSE court to remove references to Bolsonaro in its targeting of censorship because they were afraid that these USAID grantee, uh, directives would leak, and it would show how politicized and how top-down-

Yes

of where all the money was flowing and a pinpointing of a critical bottleneck in their process that was then removed and the entire thing fell apart like a Jenga tower.

Yeah, it started as an investigation into the censorship industrial complex.

And there was this strange recurring pattern going back a decade ago, basically, when I started investigations into this and kept seeing USAID everywhere.

And USAID is a...

It was like it was always in the room when it was a State Department affair or it was an intelligence community panel or it was a War Department, then Defense Department memo or some piece of thought leadership.

So when I started to dig more into the agency and its grants, it became very clear that what you had here was a kind of switch player that could rotate between diplomatic, military, and intelligence-related activities, depending on whatever it needed to be.

It was a kind of ultimate switch.

Siphoned off to Real America's music? Let me...

Uh-

The TSE court, the Alexandre de Moraes court, I, I believe four of the nine flaggers on the court that had a inside WhatsApp line directly to Moraes were funded by USAID.

The, the, the concept to form a task force on disinformation out of the TSE, the Alexandre de Moraes court, was basically invented by USAID grantees, uh, who ended up making up, I think, like something between 40 and 50% of the initial task force members.

They became, uh...

USAID was funding the, all the different NGOs that tr- that trained and staffed and flagged all of the disinformation online.

And then, uh, I literally testified in front of the Brazilian Senate Foreign Relations Committee and showed pictures from the USAID grantee websites of them training Alexandre de Moraes on disinformation.

You- they actually sent-- Some of their delegates included the same people they used to censor the 2020 election in the United States, including the Stanford Internet Observatory, the Atlantic Council Digital Forensics Research Lab, who were all sent down there and made, uh, basically, uh, members of the court task force.

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What went down in Brazil last night?

Well, it was an earthquake.

It was, I think, what a lot of people, basically everyone but the pollsters, saw coming, which was many years of rage being taken out at the ballot box.

It is kind of the one moment where there is Accountability to the people, no matter what you do, no matter how many people you throw in prison, no matter how much speech you criminalize, no matter how many institutions you turn basically communist or Chinese.

I mean, the story of what's happened in Brazil over the past four years is truly a case study for the history books.

But coming back to the USAID aspect of it, You have to understand, first of all, Brazil is the second largest population in the Western hemisphere.

It's the second largest military in the Western hemisphere.

Am I reading that correctly? Will that be the lasting Trump legacy? Can you architect out for us like – How does Brazil enter into that entire mosaic?

And thank you for being here.

Thanks so much.

And in about a month, there will be a...

I will be...

I'll be committing a pretty significant portion of what's in here for public consumption, a pretty big special project I've been working on for about a year.

But on the Fauci point, yes, this is something that just came out with these new text messages released.

And the headline is, takeaway from it was basically the private text messages of Anthony Fauci saying that he suspected that there could be a higher chance of miscarriage coming from the vaccines.

played the role of chief of staff

Hmm.

Uh, and then they learned, oh my God, they were actually creating COVID in the lab.

S- in, in that very lab where it leaked from.

Now, so the, now the defense on this is that...

So basically you had two programs happening simultaneously.

You had a USAID program and, and a DARPA program.

USAID in 2009 created something called PREDICT.

And Congress doesn't have the, the ability to, to pull people from DARPA in and, and m- have them testify, or is, is it classified stuff? Or, or I mean, they, uh, ostensibly, they would be able to do it behind closed doors.

Do you think that that will end up happening, that we will still coalesce around a new world order, but it's just gonna be better than the old worse one?

We're seeing a realign- a realignment of alliances right now.

Like right now, there's a lot of hostilities between the US and the EU on a number of grounds, and this has been exacerbated by what's happening in Iran, and you're now seeing something that was...

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Marco Rubio, for example, helped, I don't know if he sponsored, but he certainly backed the legislation to NATO-proof, uh, to Trump-proof NATO, um, i-i-in case Trump...

I think this was in 2023.

There was like a federal legislation to make NATO kind of unleaveable b- in, in a rogue unilateral action by the president.

You can look this up on Google in two seconds and just to fact-check what I'm saying.

Mm-hmm.

How close were we to becoming a socialist, censorship-controlled America?

W- w- we were not only on the edge of the cliff, we had two feet dangling over it, uh, and we had objects falling out of our book bag going over it.

Uh, and, and it really took this combined effort from, uh, from really media attention to it, and John was one of the first in the space, if not the first really in the conservative space, to begin to really publish many of these findings and to be able to amplify and give a platform on a, on a large distribution news channel to these, to these ideas.

And then between the, the basically the muscle of Elon Musk, the...

Frankly, a lot of the conservative movement started to get friends in moderate Democrats, the folks from, uh, effectively the RFK camp and from the Tulsi Gabbard camp and from, you know, the Nicole Shanahan camp, and it became this thing where everyone realized, even if they didn't disagree with the-- even if they didn't agree with the person being censored, uh, everyone saw as the Biden admin got more and more confident, so confident that they dropped the pretense of these-

All right

... and it's tough to convince a platform to censor all those stories, but if you take out Just the News by making it commercially unviable, by killing its ability to have, to, to convert eyeballs into revenue, then you kill all of those stories.

And so they came up with this, this concept that they would use this whole of society technique to go after the advertising industry.

How close were we to becoming a socialist, censorship-controlled America?

We were not only on the edge of the cliff.

We had two feet dangling over it, and we had objects falling out of our book bag going over it.

And it really took this combined effort from really media attention to it, and John was one of the first in the space, if not the first really in the conservative space, to begin to really publish many of these findings and to be able to amplify and give a platform on a large distribution news channel to these ideas.

And then between basically the muscle of Elon Musk, the Frankly, a lot of the conservative movement started to get friends in moderate Democrats, the folks from effectively the RFK camp and from the Tulsi Gabbard camp and from, you know, the Nicole Shanahan camp.

And it became this thing where everyone realized, even if they didn't disagree with them, even if they didn't agree with the person being censored.

uh everyone saw as the biden admin got more and more confident so confident that they dropped the pretense of these when they came up with the disinformation governance board that's really when many of the things that researchers and voices in the space had been talking about when when they came out and called it by its real name that activated jim jordan that activated uh you know policy makers And it really began this just rolling snowball of momentum.

hundreds of millions of dollars of advertising that would support a real america's voice and other networks have been cancelled by people who just don't like what we say how large is that universe how much have we taken a dent you've gotten a lot of them closed but there's still some out there right

Yeah.

I mean, if you think about this, you know, Bill Clinton had this funny thing in his biography about, about this that anyone, anyone could look up.

But, you know, the successive presidents since, since Bill Clinton have, have pledged to go back to the moon.

B- uh, Barack Obama had the famous Constellation program, uh, inherited from the Bush era w- where, uh, you know, the, the goal was to use this sort of Orion adjacent, O- Orion Constellation program.

It was going to have a manned spaceflight at some point during the Obama administration.

James Van Hoften, who was, uh, a, uh, International Space Station NASA astronaut, uh, then, uh, retired and joined the, the National Academy of Sciences, um, penned a series of long memos, uh, to the incoming Obama administration, uh, cautioning him not to attempt to go back to the moon.

Uh, having just been on the International Space Station and serving for long periods there, um, they felt it was, it was, uh, completely unsafe and anyone who attempted the, the program would end in disaster.

Hmm.

When we look at what's going on with the Iranian regime right now how would you say that history plays into what we're seeing take place on the ground today?

Well, it's an inextricable part of it.

The fact is, we are trying to accomplish regime change, and this was something that we tried to do in 1953.

It was done at that point.

You're correct to point out that at that point, that was a joint US-UK operation, and notably, the UK is on the other side of it this time.

There's a pretty significant dispute happening right now between the US and UK.

over the UK posture around what's just transpired.

It's a place of war, and it's a place where wars constantly break out.

In a summary, I wanted to get your sense of where you stand on that.

I'm not Soldo.

Not Soldo on that.

This is a – how does that come to pass? Let's just – so let's assume that it's going to take weeks and not years, best case scenario, to install a pro-U.S.

government, even though we just heard this week this is going to probably take until at least September is what – when the strikes were announced, they said four or five days.

Now it's four or five months.

I don't think anyone will be surprised if it's four or five years.

It's a place of war and it's a place where wars constantly break out.

Your thoughts on, um, all that.

Thanks, Megyn.

Thanks for having me.

The...

Well, the...

It's really two, two peas in a pod, Clinton and Epstein.

Y- when you just went through your description of Clinton with, uh, you know, your friend and, and that restaurant scene, you can certainly understand how Clinton and Epstein, uh, were... [sighs] You know, um, like attracts like, I suppose.

Wow

Well, it's basically what Donald Trump has been living through this entire time with the favor bank turning against him, a system that he, and in many ways, you see the parallels here where he was kind of like in this network, he was in this system, but then he turned against the system and the system turned against him.

Right.

That's exactly right.

But I think it's important to understand this context that there is this – just like in the censorship industrial complex, one of the difficult things to explain at first, but I think now the public has a pretty baseline understanding of this, is that there's this layer between the intelligence world and the non-intelligence world.

It's kind of the para-intelligence world.

And it's the same thing, like there's a – There's a government institution and there's a private sector, private business.

But there's a sticky layer in between called public-private partnerships.

What's going on?

Mm.

So, for example, Jeffrey Epstein got his- in terms of where he got his money, the New York Times attempted to answer this question in something like a 20,000-word report, and they, uh, said, "Oh, it's no mystery at all.

Uh, he got it because he made Bear St- Bear Stearns partner, uh, very quickly within four years, i- in, uh, 19, from 1976 to 1980.

And, uh, the reason he moved up so fast was because, uh, he, the head of the firm set him up with his daughter, so he's dating the boss's daughter, uh, right away.

And then he kept working with Bear Stearns on deals, on deals, on deals, uh, continuously for the next 31 years.

And it was these deals that made him wealthy." And then they proceeded to not mention a single deal name.

And the thing that, i- I mean, they interviewed three of his bosses.

And-

Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh, yeah.

So, you know, this is something that y- you know, is because people have gotten so invested in it, uh, I, I th- you know, you're sort of trying to stop a runaway train when you, when you say it, but, but it's just the simple fact.

Uh, first of all, Epstein wouldn't have enough time in the day to run some sort of, uh, you know, uh, global, uh, you know, pedo ring in an organized and structured fashion.

I mean, the guy is, you know, 12 funds and, uh, all the, the business and meetings and influence nodes.

He's in science, technology, military, gun running, uh, you know, all, all, all these different...

Yep.

Um, What do you think that we learned from this? Has it added contours to your understanding? The floor is yours.

Oh, an unbelievable amount has been turned up in this.

I guess the way I describe it is it's shocking but not surprising.

I don't think there's anything in here that has surprised me, but it still is very shocking to see the details laid out.

And it also confirms, in my view, essentially from almost every angle, the way that I've tried to prescribe people or prescribe people to view Epstein in context to sort of understand the Epstein cinematic universe beyond a lot of the kind of simple, easy to grasp onto things or the things that he was arrested for.

In my view, understanding the character of Epstein helps understand the world around you and the role that he played, because There's a little visage of Epstein in almost every industry, every government, every intelligence service, every private investment fund.

And so what we're getting are the.

Anyway,

I heard it's awesome.

It's fantastic, and, you know, it, it, it goes through how this was used effectively by the NSA during the Promise Software scandal and the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s, where y- you had basically the NSA and then the US government, uh, r- running money laundering effectively through, you know, casinos on, uh, uh, on Native American sovereign territory.

But the, the fact is, is in the 1940s, the Vatican Bank was really the only game in town.

This traces back at the CIA level to a lawyer named Paul Helliwell, who was kind of the, the architect of, of money laundering for, for the CIA.

And it, it didn't even start in...

Well, really started with the, the attempt to try to stop Mao in the 1930s and 1940s.

Uh, there was-- there were the Opium Wars in the 1830s, where effectively the British Empire and, you know, the East India Trading Company were making ungodly amounts of money by selling opium to China.

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What did you make of this latest release, Mike?

Well, they dropped a couple hours ago, and there's about 3.5 million pages.

So interestingly, there's a debate about whether enough pages have been disclosed today, because there's about almost 6 million pages that are in the sum total universe of what the FBI said that it had.

And there's a question that the left is asking about whether the the 2.5 million pages that are not evidently released if they contain the real damaging stuff.

This is the Epstein hot potato.

Obviously, there's enough to chew on Just in what we've seen, there's no way to go over that volume in just a business day.

But the fact is, the left is obviously using some of the things, the emails about Howard Lutnick and Elon Musk and these allegations about Donald Trump that are made by unnamed informants.

Do you think there may be anything, and I know it's only a few hours, you can't go through 3.5 million pages, anything that would lend credibility to the things you've been shedding light on?

I know you're working on some new stuff when it comes to funding, the National Endowment for Democracy, there's everything going on there, so fill us in.

Well, this is one of the most important days, potentially, in modern American history, if the amendment to defund the National Endowment for Democracy can pass.

I say one of, because the House has indeed twice in US history voted to defund the National Endowment for Democracy, once in 1984 and once in 1993.

Both times, the House overwhelmingly voted to defund it, and then secret back-channel deals were made through the Senate to, uh, kill the amendment, so it didn't appear in the final bill.

But this will at least set us up for that fight with the Senate if this does indeed go through.

And the reason this is so important is because the National Endowment for Democracy is the most prolific, aggressive, corrupt spear tip of what you might call the deep state, the blob, permanent Washington, BlackRock, the CIA.

Whatever face you want to put on it, I guarantee you it is a face, one of many, in the fun house mirrors of what NED wears.

Um, so maybe juxtaposing what is happening with the N-E- the NED [chuckles] today, and what the, the administration is doing and how all of this comes together.

Um, w- what else do you think our audience needs to, needs to know about what's going on in, in, in Minneapolis?

While you were playing that segment, I kept looking over to my kitchen and thinking if I had time to grab a spoon.

I wanted to ga- ...

Oh, there's a shoehorn here.

I, uh, I want to gag myself.

Um, a political scientist, Rachel Maddow, didn't come up with that.

That's, that was conceived in the literal color revolution studies.

[chuckles]

Your thoughts on what the new video shows us?

Well, that is what you call a smoking gun that is incontrovertible evidence.

Of course, the purpose of this attempt by the NGO Plex, the DNC and the broader attempt to mobilize some sort of civic resistance against the Trump administration is to try to create a kind of George Floyd 2.0. We see the same techniques being set up.

I think they're calling it MAZ, a kind of mini CHAZ, these independent autonomous zones set up in the city.

Of course, at the same time, Minneapolis is now ground zero for the Trump administration's attempt to clean out the, I don't even want to call it waste, fraud and abuse, the outright theft of the U.S. Treasury by a combination of Tim Walz's corrupt administration in Minnesota and a refugee population exploiting effectively the charity of us housing them here during a time of civil war in their own country with what appears to be NGO slash state-sponsored mass fraud.

So Minneapolis, Minnesota are once again becoming ground zero the question is has the administration learned enough from the last bout with these techniques to take it on appropriately this time

What do you think?

Well, you have Indivisible who's playing an active role in this, which according to their 2023 990s, it's $7 million from Soros just in that year.

I mean, could this still be going on? Does this pose a problem for prosecuting Maduro if the CIA is involved with running drugs out of Venezuela?

Well, we know it caused a problem for the DOJ because they superseded their indictment in 2025.

The indictment for drug trafficking against Nicolas Maduro was a 2020 indictment shortly after the failed Bay of Piglets operation to capture Maduro the first time in 2019. through Jordan Goudreau's Silvercorp private mercenary firm.

That was the segment that you just played in the run-up to this.

He's now being prosecuted himself.

But effectively, what you had was an uncomfortable history throughout the Cold War in the 20th century, under substantially Republican leadership.

This is bipartisan, but this is what makes the story difficult, I think, for a lot of conservatives to come to grips with.

How are they using this money? Were they using it for a power play as well with the drugs? And how do they hide it from lawmakers?