What led you to start to explore and become passionate about queer history?

Well, it-- I call myself an accidental gay historian, and it's exactly as it sounds.

Uh, I spent 30 years in finance and investment banking, mostly with Asia, living in Tokyo, traveling 50 times to China and, um, you know, I-- no anticipation whatsoever... [chuckles] This phone keeps slipping.

Um, it-- I had no anticipation whatsoever that I would end up where I am.

When I retired about 10 years ago, uh, I'm, I'm an Energizer bunny.

I spent 44 years in New York City, and if I'm not busy, I'm bored or depressed.

So despite still remaining on two LGTB nonprofit boards of directors after I retired, I felt like my day was empty.

Is there anything that springs to mind?

And that was my beginning out there.

And he was a kid that got the job because one day the DJ didn't show up.

And Robbie said to the owner, he says, look, I could do this.

I've been watching.

Let me, can I go play? And the guy was like, yeah, sure.

And that was it.

Career was launched.

You know, but Junior was the is the one that is in my memory at the forefront the most.