Well, Michael, is it true that prior to entering the Buttermilk Biscuit Competition at the North Carolina State Fair last year, you'd never entered any baking competition? I mean, what inspired you to start baking and enter this competition at this time?

Uh, yeah, so I had never, I'd never, uh, I guess, been brave enough to, uh, put, put up anything that I've made up against anybody else in a competition.

Um, this, the biscuit thing I had been working on for years, like probably 20 years.

Like, I'd, I'd decided, "Oh, I really like- Trying to cook.

You know, I wouldn't call myself like a, like a great cook, but I can make my way through.

And when it came to biscuits, I thought, "Okay, this is something I could really try my hand at." And like, I know what I like, but um, you know, it was a lot of, a lot of experimentation, tinkering with ingredients, ratios, flavors.

Um, and so before the state fair last year, I had...

Yeah.