Uh, What are you expecting today from him?

Yeah, lo-- Sorta ditto really w-with, with, uh, Agatha.

You know, he's obviously drawn a bit awkwardly.

Um, twelve hundred isn't his pet distance.

Obviously, he's probably gonna look for a little bit further.

But yeah, I've been very happy with both his trials back.

He's a much improved horse now that he has been gelded, um, which wasn't an easy decision to make for everybody given his pedigree, but, um, he's a horse I've always had plenty of time for.

Fourteen hundred suits him, but obviously it's a tough race, but he's, he's a tough horse.

Profoundly.

Unfortunately, she's gone amiss.

She, she pulled up, she pulled up sore after a gallop on Tuesday and, um, It was reasonably severe with a suspensory, so she's off to start, unfortunately.

Oh, that's no good.

Just a couple of three-year-olds.

Costello King, what do you make of him? Yeah, Duff, I like him.

I like him.

I don't know if that's going to happen on race day, but how's he come back?

Big decision, big step to walk away from what was essentially the greatest racing dynasty in Australia.

Yeah, it was.

I mean, I got to the stage where I think from memory, I was about, or certainly in my mid thirties and made the decision to start looking to forge my own path a little bit.

Cause I think when you, you know, you start to want to do things a little bit your own way and you know, that, that at times would cause tension.

And we were all sort of working under the one roof down at Markdale.

And I think we all sort of got to the stage where Richard and I decided to come up here and do some media work on radio.

And then I got an opportunity to go to Singapore and I thought, well, this is probably a good chance to branch out on my own without... sort of being in direct competition with any of my brothers.

The one thing you

counsel.Michael, why don't you start and then I'll fill in.

Yeah, I mean, I think one of the other interesting parts of this whole area is how rare it is for defendants to actually testify in their own case.

Um, I, in my last trial last year, my client did testify, and it was the first time I've done that as a defense lawyer over numerous trials.

And I think Cassie would agree.

It's, of all the, like, many skills you develop as a federal prosecutor, like, one of the hardest ones to do is cross-examination, 'cause oftentimes the defense doesn't put on a case.

And even if they do, it's often, like, a, a paralegal or an expert, um, something a little bit more routine.

And so when a criminal defendant decides to testify, it's a big event in the case, and it's something that a defense lawyer is thinking about from the beginning, 'cause it's ultimately the client's right to testify or not testify.

Um, how do you compare and contrast the challenges and opportunities in prep between civil and criminal?