Oh, Mengmi, do you wanna talk about your, um, the relationship between designers and communities?

Actually, when I'm listening to, um, Jo and Jennifer, um, I, I, I went from, what I, what I understand is that they, you, you two are, um, looking at a broader view in your, um, system design.

Like, um, you are, like, uh, seeing the issue or problem from a, um, higher point of view.

Um, what interesting for me is that my thesis is actually doing the opposite, which is like you are seeing yourself, um, like what Thich Nhat Hanh, the Zen master, called it deep looking.

So you start from yourself and see...

Like, ask the question, who are you? Like, uh, what can I do? Or what can I serve? Like, this kind of question when you are asking yourself, um, you sort of, like, you, you start to see from yourself to a broader community.

Um, so one of my resha- research question is how can designers design for, with, and through mindfulness.

Yeah.