So how do you, as a follow-up, and this is actually something that came up in the questions that were submitted, how do you best position a pivot or a career gap or something like that to be a strength rather than a weakness in those situations? Open to anyone.

I like to walk every candidate that I talk through through their career from start to finish.

And I'm a really good pattern matcher.

So I think one of the things that's interesting about working with someone on their career is that even designers who are really great at telling other people's stories, right? Like maybe they're negotiating with stakeholders.

They can talk to technical or non-technical stakeholders, explain the problem that needs to be solved, how we're gonna use data and research to solve it, all that sort of thing.

When it comes to turning that lens on themselves or on oneself, it's really hard to do that, to take that step back and see the patterns.

And so I think that's something that we're all uniquely positioned to do.

and it's a waste of the candidates time it's the waste of our time it's the waste of the hiring managers time for us to put someone in front of them if we know that's not going to go anywhere so it's this kind of cruel to be kind of like we're telling you no because we don't want you to waste your time trying to do all of this stuff go into a hiring process that we know the hiring manager is going to go no I don't like that one or that one's not the right fit so it's kind of trying to be the bad cop for a good reason sometimes as well and trying to get that across can be difficult I mean it's not a nice thing to hear either um but it's as long as much as you can do it with kind of empathy and consideration I think is that there's the best thing really