Martina Duncan.

I'm

going

to need to at least know how long I've been speaking for because these have all had such fantastic contributions.

I think we've got about a two to one, sorry, two to three on the contributions.

They bring the affirmative.

because we all know the affirmative is where it's at today.

Now, we did have someone from the audience note that it is interesting to hear Jess talk about system level thinking, running a workshop on systems and thinking, and maybe negative about a pluralistic approach.