But does this extend beyond our molecular makeup to the cultural distinctives themselves? I talked with Neil Shenby about this, who has quite a mixed up background himself.

So

But it's very few and far between those conversations.

I have a friend.

His name is Johnny B. Dennison.

He was raised traditionally.

Actually was led to faith by a missionary who came to our reservation.

An exception to the rules I've been talking about.

But even that isn't always as clear as we think.

If we ask, let's just do what Jesus did, well, Jesus was fairly ethnocentric.

He is not a good model to follow for missions.

When Jesus gave the Great Commission at the end of his ministry, the only model that the disciples had for mission was making prostitutes.

That's the only model they had for reaching Gentiles, was circumcising the men, changing their diet to kosher, bringing them into the synagogue, and teaching the laws of the temple.

having them worship in Hebrew.

That's all they had because that's all Jesus did, right? He told Gentiles very clearly, you can't follow me.

Right at the beginning of the way mission became this work of sending Christians to go and evangelize others really shapes what we think about mission today.

I just want to...

I have...

I am...

I'm so excited.

I'm so excited about the national coming to New Orleans.

Uh-huh.

And he is my first vice president.

mud.

On your website, you have a quote which reads, quote, "Healing begins when deeply entrenched beliefs are unsettled." Can you share with us and our listeners about the deeply held beliefs of this country that need to be diagnosed and reckoned with so that this healing can begin?

Well, Jesse and Dee, thank you so much for inviting me.

It's an honor to be on your show today and to be with the other guests.

I'm excited for the conversation we're gonna have.

Before we begin, let me introduce myself traditionally.

So, ya'at'eeh.

Mark Charles yinzha.

And again, we're not here just to talk about our relationship to harmful theologies, but what do our indigenous theologies teach about each other? What can we learn from each other aside from that?