[laughs]

But, you know, it feels that way.

I, like, well, right now, for me, God's plan sucks.

That may very well be the case, and maybe someday I will totally understand that, but that's not helpful.

That is not a helpful statement at all.

Because now what did you just do? Now you made me feel like not only am I grieving and sad and feeling horrible that I'm missing my son, now I'm a bad Christian too because I don't think that God's plan is okay.

So that means that now I'm a horrible Christian.

Mm-hmm.

But once we started the process, it just kind of, it was a roller coaster, but...

Yeah, even before 1986, though, the idea kind of came up as a joke because Jeff was a home brewer.

And so we were home brewing up here anyway and enjoying beverages and enjoying beers.

And so someone suggested it as a joke.

Actually, it was kind of funny.

But it was one of those things that kind of like resonated.

And we were looking for something where, like Jeff said, we could work together and do.

What was it like doing beer archaeology before that was even a thing? Was this involving, you know, going to your library, hunting all this information down? Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

So it was trying to get that little balance.

But, um, bringing up my little starlight group, I just adore all these women so much.

So one of them, Holly, we just did an episode for her daughter Peyton a few weeks ago.

Anyway, they're having a golf outing this week, and she invited our family to go.

And unbeknownst to me, she made a sign for Andy.

Mm-hmm

... up to that.