Wrongful conviction and wrongful execution, can't it?

Yeah.

And that's why it is so long.

And then that's what gets into the debate over here in America of a lot of people are for the death penalty, but...

in very specific cases, meaning if you're going to do the death penalty, the person, it has to be the worst of the worst of the worst.

And because there are so many risks, I mean, it just is a slippery slope, but it costs more money.

And other states have chosen to keep the firing squad because what I've learned during all of this from speaking to legal counsel is when you're talking about executions in the most humane way possible, and you're talking about the people involved, I mean, this is not just I mean, there's someone that's doing the act.

How many people are on death row at the moment as we speak in Tennessee and sort of Alabama? 40.

Did Krista Pike admit to these crimes?

Yes.

And she bragged about it.

I mean, it was such a disturbing case.

She had pieces of her victim's skull that she carried around in her pocket.

And this is very, very gruesome, a torturous case.

death and over something so, I mean, just silly.

Yeah, absolutely.

Walk us through what just happened.

OK, so, yes, earlier this morning, the judge was going to declare a mistrial.

The jury sent back another note saying Unfortunately, we cannot come to a unanimous decision.

The context clues from Thursday tell us that there was that one juror holding out.

And based on Kevin Reddington kind of identifying this juror, at least as a male, we know that it was one male.

The one of the three men on the jury was holding out.

We can also assume that no one knows for a fact that this is the one person that was saying not agreeing with the not guilty.

Could this be potentially a threat factor here for juror intimidation?

What are we expecting to see this week?

So this will be a continuation of the rebuttal witness that the prosecution called Friday, Dr. Max, who will take the stand again today.

And the whole point of the rebuttal phase is you had the defense plant it out there that their client, Lindsey Clancy, was having postpartum psychosis.

She was not aware of what she was doing when she murdered her three children.

Now that the prosecution has seen their argument, they're bringing back their professionals, their psychologists, their psychiatrists to say, "No, no, based on what I've seen from her medical records, from everything that I've studied about her, she was aware of what she was doing when she committed these murders." And that's what the prosecution is trying to get the jury to think.

They want the jury to say, "This was premeditated.

There was intent here.

respectful.Now, what are the stakes of this trial right now? If they find that she was, in fact, suffering from psychosis at the time of these murders, does that mean she walks?

... at one point he traveled to her school and gave a phone to another kid to give to her so they could get back in touch.

She was so young, so young, and he was young, but he was over 18.

You know, he was an adult, and it was one of the situations where they've known each other for so long that there's not the proof that it started out romantic, but it turned that way.

And it, it's just so sad because even at a young age, after the grooming went on and the years of this successful older guy talking to Celeste, she still at one point was like, "I'm, I'm gonna be done.

Like, I can ruin your career.

You are talking to other girls." She got...

I mean, jealous is kind of a negative connotation, but she was like, "You're not going to be with me and be with other people." And that's what they say led to him killing her because she was saying that she could end his career.

No?

... at one point he traveled to her school and gave a phone to another kid to give to her so they could get back in touch.

You know, I will say that the family of Celeste, especially when all this came out, of course, everyone is saying, "Why would you let your preteen go to London with this man to go back to Texas to meet his family?" But there were times where Celeste would run away, too, to be with David, and they did try.

They did step in.

Her family, they, they took her phone away, and that's when the situation you're talking about, David went to her middle school, paid some kid in the parking lot, like, 1,000 bucks.

I mean, hello, that was like a million dollars when you were in middle school, to go deliver her another phone.

So it w- and it's, it's gross because she was so young.

So young, and he was young, but he was over 18.

But what is known about the crime itself?

He's very young, right?

Yeah, very young.

And the girl, poor Celeste, the victim, was even younger, but he was young.

And just to put it in perspective of where his career was at the time this alleged murder happened last April, a weekend before that, the, the alleged murder took place, he was doing flips and hanging out on the Coachella stage, and he was c- clearly on that path, and first album had just come out.

And, and that's what, when we were digging into the timeline of when this murder actually took place, when you get over the horrific details, because that, those are insane, I know we'll get to them, but when you start being like, "Oh, he was on this radio show on this date," that was the day after he allegedly murdered her.

"Oh, he had friends over on this date, and they smelled something, and her body was still there." And you're just thinking, what was going on at the end of April, May, and June, and the start of July a year ago for him to just have this body in the front part of his Tesla? I ...

Let me get this terminology, 'cause I don't have a Tesla, but everyone that does, they call it the frunk, like the front-

... at one point he traveled to her school and gave a phone to another kid to give to her so they could get back in touch.

Sorry about that.

Oh, perfect.

No worries.

Okay.

I think my biggest takeaway so far this week is just how quickly Lindsay Clancy's mental state declined.

Right now we're hearing from the defense.

They're calling their witnesses.

Was that your takeaway watching these women on the stand?

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She was a girl that was a mom, she was a wife, and she loved just using social media.

I feel like she was just one of those girls, you know, country girl, small town girl, out living in Oklahoma, and she would use TikTok as a way to make income.

And she would sell jewelry and bags, and she'd be like, "Look at this bag," and the, "I love the color of this bag.

It really goes with everything." I mean, she just seemed very relatable.

But she also had this online persona with her husband, Jeremiah Sean Duffy.

He goes by Sean, that's how he's been identified within parentheses.

What was the incident? What sparked all of this?

I've never been one to have a lot of confidence in my life, and I love myself.

But she also had this online persona with her husband, Jeremiah Sean Duffy.

He goes by Sean, that's how he's been identified, within parentheses.

Him and Sarah were known online as The Duffs, and just to the TikTok world, to the social media world, they seemed like they really had it all together, and they were young, and again, she had two kids, but she was still young herself, 43.

She had a lot going for her.

But when you start digging into the case, which is the lead-up to the horrible murder, you start realizing that it wasn't always butterflies with them.

And a big character in this entire investigation and in telling the world who Sarah was is her first husband, Lyle Landers, and he said, you know, that he tried to get her, Sarah, to leave Sean Duffy five times over the course of their marriage.

Yeah

And a warning, this episode of the podcast contains graphic descriptions of violence.

She was a girl that was a mom, she was a wife, and she loved just using social media.

I feel like she was just one of those girls, you know, country girl, small town girl out living in Oklahoma, and she would use TikTok as a way to make income, and she would sell jewelry and bags, and she'd be like, "Look at this bag," and the, "I love the color of this bag.

It really goes with everything." I mean, she just seemed very relatable.

But she also had this online persona with her husband, Jeremiah Sean Duffy.

He goes by Sean, that's how he's been identified, within parentheses.

Him and Sarah were known online as The Duffs.

What was the incident? What sparked all of this?

And how did they-- what was their feeling about, you know, being able to, to get back together and do this again?

I think the coolest thing is everyone just loved getting back together.

It was really cool to hear people say, "I love our country." And they were saying, "You know, we loved our country back then in fourth grade, but now when we're in our 60s, we really appreciate what it means to be an American, to live an American," and they do not take their freedoms for granted.

They-- One lady said, "I know how blessed I am, and I'm especially proud that I can live out my faith freely." And they were just really...

It was, it was nostalgic, and they were just so proud.

And I think that's something that today that we don't see as much.

But this group was saying, "No, it's cool to love your country." And they also wanted to stress that you can make learning fun like this.

Did that come up at all when, when you all were re-recording? Like did any of the, was anyone thinking about how, you know, it's a little bit of a different environment that they're for the re-record now? [laughs] Like the reiss- the re-release?

Which of the policies that Americans care most about will have the biggest impact come November?

Americans still are very skeptical of Democratic governance.

They're still very skeptical of these far-left shifts.

They do not want something like in California or New York City, for example, with Mayor Mamdani to become the mainstream.

Uh, you are seeing a lot of attention given to these districts where the Democratic Socialists of America, who of course backed the Mamdani campaign, they win those primaries and they go on to win general elections in these, these blue districts, uh, then forcing the entire Democratic Party to the left.

So the Democrats have been completely co-opted by this movement.

That's why you see people like Abigail Spanberger feel completely comfortable with engaging these policy positions.

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