What do you think the prosecution will take away from the first trial? What lessons do you think they will have learned that they think will allow them to do better in a second trial here?

They may need to get more witnesses.

I know other witnesses were critique throughout the trial, and especially how the prosecution handled their questioning of the witnesses.

I think it was very hard to follow.

I don't think they made a lot of direct points until the closing arguments, which again, you think the jury, that's one of the last things they heard.

But they've been sitting there for a month going over 300 exhibits, listening to more than 80 people give their testimony, and I just don't think the prosecution held control in the courtroom throughout the testimony portion.

I think Kevin Reddington controlled the courtroom.

I just don't think it, it breaks down quite that simply in the actual courtroom.

Linden, what's your take on all of this?

Hey, Sean.

Yeah, I just got back from Israel in July, and one thing I took away by seeing the constant threat that Islam has over there in this Western civilization in the Middle East is keep it as far away from America as possible.

Until people have first-hand experience about what that culture represents, it is so hard for them, it, it, it shockingly, but it's so hard for them to get on board.

What Hassan Piker has done, and this goes back to his little online community, I cannot stand it because that's how he radicalizes all these little people on this stupid stream playing games on the internet.

He talks up, he does horrible things to his dog in the background, if you remember those clips.

He is a bad egg through and through, but you have these idiots that believe him for his word.

This is all on the ballot this election year, and I, I'm just warning people, uh, this is more critical than any midterm I've ever covered in my life, and I've covered quite a few.

So why don't you just walk us through the timeline, uh, of what exactly happened, just the facts of the case.

So the facts of the case and a lot of this became apparent and in stone yesterday after testimony from Lindsay Clancy's mother and her sister.

So in the summer of twenty twenty-two, this is before the murders in January twenty twenty-three, Lindsay's mother testified that she was normal.

That summer was fine.

But both- Her mother and her sister and her ex-husband, Patrick Clancy, started noticing a decline in Lindsay's demeanor in the fall of 2022, around October of 2022.

This is where Lindsay started verbalizing that she was unwell, that she didn't think her anxiety medication was working.

And by Thanksgiving of 2022 is when Lindsay's sister said that she looked physically unwell, and by December of 2022 is when Lindsay told Patrick and her mother that she had thoughts of harming the children.

Because my understanding is they have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this was not an episode of psychosis, or at least the psychosis itself was not severe enough to obliterate the requirement under law, which is that she know the difference between good and bad and know what she was doing at the time.

You're listening to True Crime Tonight: Around Australia, and coming up next, we're chatting with my favorite new American podcaster, Lynden Blake.

She was a girl that was a mom, she was a wife, and she loved just using social media.

I feel like she was just one of those girls, you know, country girl, small town girl, out living in Oklahoma, and she would use TikTok as a way to make income.

And she would sell jewelry and bags, and she'd be like, "Look at this bag," and the, "I love the color of this bag.

It really goes with everything." I mean, she just seemed very relatable.

But she also had this online persona with her husband, Jeremiah Sean Duffy.

He goes by Sean, that's how he's been identified within parentheses.

What was the incident? What sparked all of this?

Beyond the Twiggs testimony, I would say this is the single most devastating piece of information that the state has, at least that we know about as of this point.

Yeah.

And I mean, you going out there, and I saw where you were talking to local news stations in Utah and doing a lot of media availability, which is so important because us, who were not in the courtroom, were not allowed to see that.

I know the Kirk family representative, the media representative, I mean, they, they fought for this, fought for transparency.

It is so important to build that trust.

But Judge Graff, you know, r- ruled to just have it shown to the courtroom.

But I am so thankful that you did go out there, so you were able to see it, and being someone that is not only a friend and was a, a great friend of Charlie Kirk, but you are also in the media and know how important it is to get the truth out there.

Etching tool.

And how did they-- what was their feeling about, you know, being able to, to get back together and do this again?

I think the coolest thing is everyone just loved getting back together.

It was really cool to hear people say, "I love our country." And they were saying, "You know, we loved our country back then in fourth grade, but now when we're in our 60s, we really appreciate what it means to be an American, to live an American," and they do not take their freedoms for granted.

They-- One lady said, "I know how blessed I am, and I'm especially proud that I can live out my faith freely." And they were just really...

It was, it was nostalgic, and they were just so proud.

And I think that's something that today that we don't see as much.

But this group was saying, "No, it's cool to love your country." And they also wanted to stress that you can make learning fun like this.

Did that come up at all when, when you all were re-recording? Like did any of the, was anyone thinking about how, you know, it's a little bit of a different environment that they're for the re-record now? [laughs] Like the reiss- the re-release?

Which of the policies that Americans care most about will have the biggest impact come November?

Americans still are very skeptical of Democratic governance.

They're still very skeptical of these far-left shifts.

They do not want something like in California or New York City, for example, with Mayor Mamdani to become the mainstream.

Uh, you are seeing a lot of attention given to these districts where the Democratic Socialists of America, who of course backed the Mamdani campaign, they win those primaries and they go on to win general elections in these, these blue districts, uh, then forcing the entire Democratic Party to the left.

So the Democrats have been completely co-opted by this movement.

That's why you see people like Abigail Spanberger feel completely comfortable with engaging these policy positions.

So what's happening with LIV Golf?

Yeah, so why don't you give us the, the brief update on what exactly is going on and, and whether the investigation is progressing or whether wheels are just sort of spinning?

Well, I would say a lot has picked up since that FBI footage, or since the FBI released that footage of the armed, masked person from Nancy Guthrie's front doorbell cam.

It took eight days that they worked with Google, with the Nest cameras, to try to recover that footage, and since that went out, I would say about 18 hours ago, things have really just started to pick up.

There was a person detained for questioning, uh, south of Tucson last night in a town called Rio Rico.

I just wanna say, that was always just for questioning, and that person was released.

His name was Carlos.

He said he was a delivery driver in the Tucson area, and he said when he was detained by the authorities, they showed him the picture of the masked, armed person, and-... carlos said that authorities thought they had similar eyes, but he said he didn't know who Nancy Guthrie was, doesn't know who Savannah Guthrie is and all that.

You, you would assume that just means somebody was drawing the money down.

Is all of that accurate so far as you could hear, and what else should we know about what was revealed in the last thirty minutes or so in that press conference?

Yeah, you took good notes, Clay.

Everything you said there was correct.

My biggest takeaway from this press conference, again, so much information is still being held close to the chest of these investigators, but the big story has been the ransom note since Savannah Guthrie and her two siblings addressed the ransom note head-on in a video last night, talking directly to the people who may have their mother, I mean, held hostage at this point.

And I wanted to talk about the deadlines that were revealed from the ransom notes in this press conference.

The FBI revealed that the ransom notes that went to the media outlets, there were two local stations in Arizona, KOLD and KGUN, plus TMZ, all received the same ransom note.

That's new information.

-that they've actually seen proof of life?

So for, for people who have not been following this case, how is it initiated? What are sort of the background facts of the case?

Okay, so the background facts of the case is sometime between 9:45 Saturday until 11:00 a.m. Sunday, Nancy Guthrie vanished from her home.

Her church friends didn't see her at church on Sunday morning.

They called the family.

The family did a quick search around the house, the property, and then called 911.

So that was Sunday.

Now we're sitting here on Wednesday, day four of the search, and the details continue to pile up.

L- does law enforcement, have they given any in- indication that they believe that the ransom notes are real? Obviously, if there are details in there that, that lends credibility to the ransom notes, that it's not just some rando who's picking up on the story to try and grift some money out of the Guthrie family.