So they've had a lot of moving.

A lot of it's just because the fields were in the arts and entertainment.

Andrew works as a specialist in that field and I am a performer by profession in that field.

We were going to where the work is.

Then when we had children, we moved from London.

Just to be closer to home in Australia, but a job had opened for Andrew there and it's a good arts place in Australia.

And then again, a job came for me at the end of the pandemic when we'd lost everything and everything was a pause.

Days of like, he

So how do we do that? How do we take that step to separate the identity from bookings?

Yeah, this is because we are asking ourselves the wrong questions.

So what we do is we're like, have I booked work? You know, is my IMDB credits full? Is, you know, what does my Instagram look like? Like, what's my bio say? Like all of these things we take and we know we shouldn't, but that's what we're doing to form our identity.

Yeah.

um rather than this what identity is and it comes from the still self face experiment that was when a baby looks at its mum and they tested lots of babies and there was if there was no eye contact the baby would be in distress So Identity 101 is I see you, Heidi.

You see me.

I'm giving you identity.

Is there, if a voice actor or actor feels stuck right now and they're just like, I'm not feeling that creativity, I'm not feeling that fun, what's one thing they could do this week to get