Mm

... can be challenging is like, I think Mel alluded to it like, and so did Tara, I think that if you've got someone talented, but they haven't been able to get a job and they've gone into a space that they're literally nutting out, I don't know, like resizes for a digital ad, I guess it was just more around, I think that there's kind of a space for not necessarily like putting personality all over it, but just showcasing their thinking outside existing scope.

And, you know, I, I-- we've been seeing a lot of university portfolios and the briefs are qui- are starting to become quite limited or there's a homogeneity to some of the responses because they're seeking certain metrics within the, the uni- you know, university system.

What always stands out to me is kind of a thinking differently or, you know, approaching a problem.

But unfortunately, in some of those kind of spaces, so whether that be a previous employer or a, or an education system, those don't necessarily yield the result that they're looking for.

So that, so you often see like students or younger designers steering away from them.

So, you know, I always encourage people to, you know, if to kind of showcase what their, showcase a passion for the creative, you know, industry and whether, and whether that being doing things outside a brief, I'm always interested in just purely because, like, it's served me well and I, and I like to see that people are really passionate about the industry and that they are wanting to get into.

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