Go ahead, Ken.

Well, I'm the chair of the board and John is the executive director of an organization called Audit USA.

It's a 501c3 nonprofit, but...

John for almost more than 20 years and I for a little bit less than that have been fighting for integrity in our elections, transparency, trackability, and public verifiability of our elections.

Each state can differ, of course, in how they conduct their elections and how they use certain mechanisms to try to accomplish those three things.

One of the mechanisms that is used in Arizona and often referenced by election officials as the solve-all mechanism of proving that our elections are secure in Arizona is hand count audits.

And this is one of the things that John and I have been working with.

I'm not saying that yet.