Yeah

... at a system level.

And when, you know, we were talking earlier about, like, how far out it reverberates through family, friends, and community, but this one person, this is all caused by one person at the center, and that person hasn't faced any accountability for the devastation that's been caused, like the absolute devastation to people's lives.

There's been, there's no justice or accountability, so where can we put our guilt, or where can we put our anger or our emotions?

We had to do it on the nature strip.

Yeah, we did it on the nature strip and- You had quite a reaction, Hey, to it.

Yeah, I did.

I could feel, you know, our ancestors and that there.

And that's the last thing I remember of her, like, playing with her girls, but they were, like, they were out there for ages running around this tree [laughs] and squealing, having the best time ever before they went home.

What stands out to me, like Jo always talks about too, is that she had dreams for where she wanted the girls to go to school, and she had hopes and dreams for their education.

And so they're still in the same school that she'd enrolled them in, which is challenging for Dad and Jo to get them there every day.

But, um, they're there because that's where Kiara wanted them, and she wants, wanted them to go to the secondary school that she went to.

So I think, you know, she, while she was really free-spirited and stuff, she still had those long-term aspirations-

We all felt unsafe ourselves.

And when you were just saying, you know, the women don't, they're like a footnote, well, even through that whole Supreme Court process, the blame was put on Kiara for touching the gun.

So, and the judge kept saying, "She did a stupid thing." So, like, that's really hurtful to hear in a court-