It brings people together.

So, yeah.

So let's let's do that's crazy.

But I guess what I always want to say to Eric, which is what I say in private, too, is we go through what we do when we go for our walk and talks as we go through these.

ideas like remember when we first went on that walk eric and talked about telepathy tapes and we're like is it real what's the deal why are they touching each other you know how could this be an actual telepathic communication and that's why i ended up getting involved so i do want to say thank you for that and kelly thank you for the success of the telepathy tapes along you're welcome but those kind of conversations that eric and i have we challenge each other to think about sort of what is the underlying phenomenon that's going on.

And we both think both mechanistically and intuitively.

And so it's hard to find other people who are trained rigorously in the mechanistic thing but also have the intuitive and creative mind and so yeah so that is a deep thank you from me to you because really we do need to get together more often because there there are a few people like that and um and we can challenge each other in ways that not everyone does you know and we also think philosophically both of us

I think she's thought more about the healing potential of that.

And with that story, I mean, do you think he was just talking to someone like in a mediumship way? Or do you think that he was slipping through a timeline in some way, remote viewing over time? Because some of the non-speakers in Chicago have said they could do that.

Yeah.

That second option.

Yeah.

Some of the non-speakers in Chicago talk about remote viewing over time.

Remote viewing itself is usually thought of differently than they're using it.

It's kind of this technical capacity that you use a paper and pen for whatever.

That's buyoptimizers.com slash tapes code tapes.

Yes, the head of the Edge Foundation, right?

Yep, talking to Epstein and trying to get funding for a conference on AI.

And Epstein saying, well, we didn't used to have to worry about diversity.

So basically, there were 20-some people coming to the conference to speak about AI, professors.

Three of them were women.

He says, well, that's too many women.

Something like, we didn't used to have to worry about diversity.

So question being, if we have or if we could, better way to put it, figure out time travel, would it matter for the reality we're in?

... and maybe walk us through that.

Sure.

Um, I started writing the book.

I didn't know I was writing a book, and, uh, I'm like, "Ah, I guess I'm writing something." And, um, I realized, you know, maybe about halfway through the first part of the book, that it was about disclosing fr- in yourself, and it was a, almost like a spiritual process, but also like a physical process, but also a social process.

And by the time I got done with that part of the book, which I thought was the end of the book, I realized that that process had worked on me, and that I had to write about my own internal disclosure of this thing.

And, uh, you know, you can hear me swallow and stuff because [laughs] it's hard still, and I've talked about it several times, uh, publicly.

Um, but nonetheless, it's hard to sort of recognize out loud that who you are as a person was sort of shaped on purpose, not just by your parents and not just by your community, but by something that you didn't even know was... had an intention to shape who you are.

I think we solved that during this podcast.

Thank you.

Second of all, it's so hap- uh, makes me really happy to be here because- The ION's crew is...

I love their little sub- subtitle here, Lighting the Path.

That's literally what ION's has done since-

Yeah

... 1973, I believe.

Um, just lit the path for humanity and for the applications of science and technology that can actually help people thrive and help us understand our inner wisdom.

So I'm just, I'm just happy to be here and be in support of this amazing crew.

Can you just briefly explain a bit about who they were in terms of, you know, background? Were they sort of kooky, clairvoyant enthusiasts? And then what they did in terms of their work?

Well, that's very interesting question because I think they were sort of considered after the fact kooky.

I think the deal is when I first had my meta-analysis of physiological responses to future events published in a mainstream journal, I got a call from a reporter at the New York Times.

And she said, she talked to me for about half an hour.

She was so excited.

She wanted to put an article about this.

She wanted to write an article about this.

I'd love to hear how you got involved with it and what your initial reaction to the telepathy tapes was and then go into what you're finding with your involvement.

We've got a lot in common here.

Yeah, yeah.

I grew up in Libertyville.

Um, my dad was working in Chicago and also at Argonne.

And, um, so I was pretty integrated into that system.

And, and you know, the people that I grew up with were very counter-cultural.

Um, lots of, um, yeah, like I wrote the underground newspaper at Libertyville High School, and then built one at Lake Forest High School, which was unusual for the North Shore.

So none of that has come back, none of that memory lapse has come back to you?

Hmm.

Now, these non-speakers generally seem to be in a place, not all the time, but often, much more often than neurotypicals, in a place of unconditional love.

This is a right hemisphere sort of self-transcendent kind of experience.

And so I'm not surprised that they talk about remote viewing across time.

They're very desperate, in fact, to talk about different timelines and to point out to you, Kai, specifically, they've said like, "Tell Kai we remote view in time," or, "Tell Kai that we do time travel." Because their p- point of view is very different than ours when it comes to time.So this is by Naoki Higashida, a Japanese non-speaker, from the book called The Reason I Jump.

"Because I have autism, I know all about time, and I feel it myself.

Believe me, this is scary stuff.

Okay, so given, like, so much of the research you've done, what do you think is the most compelling evidence that the mind can gather information from the future?

Hmm.

Now, these non-speakers generally seem to be in a place, not all the time-But often, much more often than neurotypicals, in a place of unconditional love.

This is a right hemisphere, sort of self-transcendent kind of experience.

And so I'm not surprised that they talk about remote viewing across time.

They're very desperate, in fact, to talk about different timelines and to point out to you, Kai, specifically, they've said, like, "Tell Kai we remote view in time," or, "Tell Kai that we do time travel." Because their p-point of view is very different than ours when it comes to time.

So this is by Naoki Higashida, a Japanese nonspeaker, from the book called The Reason I Jump.

"Because I have autism, I know all about time, and I feel it myself.

Okay, so given, like, so much of the research you've done, what do you think is the most compelling evidence that the mind can gather information from the future?

And when you started asking them and trying to apply it in, uh, using the scientific method, how did you first attempt to do that?

Well, I called...

I, I was a, I ha- I'm kind of fearless when it comes to cold calling people, especially scientists, 'cause very few people call scientists.

[laughs] So I called up Dean Radin.

I had read some of his work from the Institute of Noetic Sciences.

I called him up, and I said, um, "Hi, my name's Julia, and I was thinking of [laughs] going into this field, and I think precognition is real." And he's like, "Oh, okay." And, [laughs] and I remember where I was sitting, uh, when I called him.

And, uh, he said, "The thing you have to do is get your PhD in a field that is not this.

Got it

Um, how, how could unconditional-- firstly, how can unconditional love be kinda propagated so that it's, you know, begins to, um, impact millions of people, tens of millions of people? And, um, uh, what would be the mechanics through which those people would actually shift their perspective so that there would be less polarity? And how does the whole time machine concept enter into this?

So it's interesting that I said time machine in that.

Um, I probably should have talked-- I'm gonna talk about both.

There's another technology that we built too that...

Anyway, time-- the way Time Machine works is it asks you to love yourself as you listen to the message that you sent to yourself in the past.

So it's a self-guided auto, audio, uh, journaling tool that challenges you to love yourself.

And it, it's especially helpful, I think, to people who have been addicted to drugs and/or had any kind of mental health struggle.

And why, why don't you explain what it is in, for anybody who may not have heard about it or listened to it?

Can you talk to us about this time travel experience you had yourself in the loop with your past and future self-connecting?

Yeah, I have it all the time, but there was a particular profound case of it that was very healing for me that I think got me on this path of thinking about unconditional love and how it flows through time and how it heals and thinking about...

And part of why I created Applied Love Labs, which is a nonprofit that used to be called TILT, the Institute for Love and Time.

And by the way, if you look that up, we're working on our website, so...

It's at applied.love, and within a week you'll be able to see the website, and right now you can't.

But the experience was this.

As a kid, I was in this family that was very eccentric, which you might guess, and messed up in certain ways and not messed up in other ways.

And so they're just getting so much more information than, and they don't know how to filter it and how that might change how we think about particularly that diagnosis.

Explain just in practical terms what you're doing.

Yeah.

So, psionics or P-S-I, psyops, um, what it- what that is, uh, are applications that use essentially what I like to call consciousness technology.

So, the ability to directly use your mind to influence something, like we call that telekinesis or psychokinesis.

But also the ability to use your mind to receive information that's distant in time or space.

So, that's sometimes called clairvoyance.

It's sometimes called ESP.

Um, a- are there theories about how this stuff might work with our existing known laws of science? Or how is- how are you moving something with your mind, how are you seeing something in the future, how are you seeing something halfway around the world based on what's in books so far? Or is that stuff just not in books yet?