Mm-hmm.

Uh, redefining it, uh, and redefining failure.

Um, both of those go hand in hand.

Do you just- We planted kind of on the back end of, I think, that zenith of church planting, where, like, you, if you build it, they will come, you know? There was a season in which there was this kind of a, a movement, um, of passionate, often, you know, 30-somethings, uh, who still had the energy and kind of youth, uh, maybe naivety, like you mentioned.

That was probably me.

Um, and so we're kind of on the back end of that, um, and, and led into, you know, there was some- Do you just- ... obviously success by what we define success ear- how we defined it earlier, you know, in this, this journey.

Uh, multiplication, uh, numbers and, uh, you know, people being connected with Jesus and with the mission, which is not a, a bad thing.

He does-

So my poor parents, by the

way.

Have you paid your ex debt yet? There is that conversation.

It could be had off air.

I'll take that one off air.

It's all right.

Sure.

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