Like what, what's your,

yeah, no, that's the, that kind of thing's huge.

And I feel like we've seen it over the years, uh, Both of our teams have kind of felt that way during, at the very least, the good years.

You know what I mean? The cup years and the good years maybe didn't result in a cup.

Like, you guys have your, like, yeah, babe thing going on, you know? Like, the caps seem tight.

It seems like...

A real laid-back group of veterans.

I don't think he

Yeah.

this stuff that they wrote was very disturbing and telling like shit that how does this not come out in the internal investigation so essentially you're in Arizona it's one of the driest hottest places on earth um And you're trying to, first of all, you're training with some ex-beret military person that, let's be fucking real, they probably didn't even train like that.

They're just putting you to complete exhaustion.

There's the whole story.

They're supposed to have ice baths.

They're supposed to have water.

They're supposed to have this.

That's insane.

I think the highest paid is damn near $20 million a year, right?

It's over $20 million, Kale McCarr.

$20.4 million a year, I think it is.

Like, why not? Why not sign that now? And also, that's a deal, or that's still not even the league ceiling per year.

So, I mean, he's arguably the second best player in the world behind McDavid.

You can make the argument that there's four or five guys that could be the best.

You know what I mean? But he's in that conversation all day long.

thursday and then we'll we'll go you guys have anything to promote josh go ahead

Josh?

Yeah.

You know, I, I've, I, I've sort of, uh, been wondering for a while, uh, how much is Trump worried about the midterms? Because he seems pretty worried about them.

He telegraphs that he's worried.

He...

You know, kind of all of this energy.

And yet what he does, he's not doing any of the things.

Josh?

Right

... or Nixon in the few weeks before he resigned from office.

I don't think we've ever seen it, uh, this low, uh, before a midterm.

Uh, you look, we don't know what's gonna happen in three months, or I guess a little less than three months right now.

And, uh, it is true, as, as a lot of people point out, that the, that the Democrats' democratic brand i- is, is taking on a lot of water.

But I, I do think the political class, the political conversation in the country hasn't really, uh, grappled with, with just how bad the environment, uh, appears to be for Republicans.

Bad for Trump, bad for Republicans, good for Democrats.

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Uh, Josh, your thoughts.

Y- yeah, no, I mean, you know, you have this, and again, the, as you say, the reflecting pool, you know, the, that you have.

W- we know that initial, you know, vandalism case fell apart.

There was a, there was an article in I believe the Journal today that the White House wants them to go after the guy again because Trump cannot let go of the idea of this vandalism, which again, every, we've, we've all known from the beginning is, is a, just absurd, right? It's just, it's just not even, like, really physically possible, especially under, on, in, in such a, in such a, a surveilled setting.

But, you know, why did he go after this, what, uh, uh, 40 years ago? Uh, it's al- it's always kind of funny to me.

They, they, his, his epithet is Olympic canoeist, right? [laughs] This kind of, you know, kind of strange Homeric kind of thing.

Uh, going after him again, why does Trump care about this? Because- It messed up his original lie when he couldn't admit that he tried to-

Gary?

And Cornyn, by the way, has said if he thinks it's just me and Tillis who are objecting here to the whole phony baloney settlement agreement, he's got it wrong.

But why do you concur, Josh? I just think that's the case.

What does John Cornyn have to lose? I mean, his political career is over.

So those are the chits that Donald Trump plays in.

So unless he wants to do another January 6th and have people storm the Senate, I think that is the currency.

And John Cornyn doesn't have anything to lose.

And Tillis, pretty much the same thing.

I don't know that it worked the way Republicans thought that it would.

Uh, your, your reporting and, and your reaction to these crackdowns, Josh.

Well, and the fir- uh, it's a great piece, the exclusive that Josh Kovensky had, uh, last week.

You know, the best I think you can say about Brian Lynch is that he seems to have a decent amount of experience with domestic terrorism, uh, and, and political violence, so I guess, you know, that's, that's a humorous way of looking at it since he was at, uh, January 6th.

As, as you say, uh, there's no evidence he actually broke into the Capitol, but he was part of that, uh, part of that whole insurrection, uh, trying to overthrow the US government, so that's, that's, uh, definitely worth knowing.

On the other point with this, with the, with the thing with the plane, I, you know, what, what we're seeing here is this, uh, slow, uh, faster than we'd like, but, but ongoing process of the Department of Justice just gets, um, melded to the psyche of Donald Trump.

You know, there, there have been, there have been other stories, uh, over, say, the last six months that involve real national security issues where there, where a, a, the, where a federal government might have some real questions about, uh, you know, did you get access to classified information here? That's always a, a, a, a, a, a delicate matter.

But we know what this is about.

Uh, it, it rattles, uh, the, th- this, uh, very powerful federal government that would claim it, it doesn't care and, and, uh, dying media and, quote, "failing New York Times," and then it seems they care a lot.

And in terms of marketing, how does boat show marketing kind of differ from what you may be doing outside of a boat show in general times?

So with the marketing side of things, I think it allows, again, for you to put the boat in a show with multiple other vessels that a client could be shopping for in that same demographic and gives you the opportunity to one blast your boat out without feel like you're spamming clients that are potentially looking for your boat.

And two gives you the opportunity to kind of not to sound too cocky or confident, but put your boat against the other boats on the market in that same class.

And if we flip it back to buyers who are coming to a show, why would you advise clients who are perhaps looking to charter or to buy to come to a boat show?

Simply for figuring out what fits them and suits them best, how they would want to use their boats, speaking with the crew on board to kind of see how their programs are ran, speaking with brokers that have done this for years and seen multiple boats and transacted multiple boats, you get the opportunity to, yeah, see boats back to back.

And as it does become kind of convoluted in your mind, you still get a chance to get on each boat.

And if you're looking at a specific brand and you get to compare the two that you were shopping from online, you get to physically see them now.

I'll boo him till the day he dies, but I mean, we wouldn't be fucking, I

still think we just don't know because no one else has been at the helm, but to go back to the Emil Andre, uh, that's actually a big pickup.

I think really, uh, you know, this kid flyers fans are so high on him.

He's only 23 or 24.

He plays center and wing when called upon, he got health bombed, uh, Towards the end of the season a few times, and, like, Philly fans were not happy about it.

Interesting.

He played, like, 20 or 30 games this year.

I think we're going to be...

Or a Carter Hart.

And also, I don't think that that's on the tableYeah.

R- right.

Right.

Yeah, like, I don't know.

They, they're gonna have to work out ...

And, and it's, it's harder now with the new rules in place to get those three team with retention type...

[laughs]

Right

...

it was like a military spot, and they converted it, and it's not available all year.

There's no youth leagues.

There's no this, that.

Like, there's youth programs and stuff like that, and sure, kids can go to open stick time and pick up and this and that, but, like, every, every...

Anywhere you're gonna put your kid to play in, like, a competitive way, not just like a learn to play type of way, it's outrageously expensive.

That's fair

I mean, Tucker's not speaking like a person who might reassess Trump next week.

Right.

Right.

You know, uh, when a president gets unpopular, things can move really fast.

Um, and, and I think what we're, what we're seeing is not just this war's happening.

You know, all the partisans have a need, have a- a- it's kinda tied to their identity, that they need to buoy up the person who they support.

Um, at a certain point, that starts to fade away, and, and I think even hard partisans, um, and, you know, influencers, people who are, you know, kinda public people who are supporters, start looking for exit ramps.

Hmm.

And by the way, that has huge implications for trying to invoke the Insurrection Act, 'cause that would be exactly what it is, boots on the ground acting as law enforcement.

To Juliette's point, one of the things that's very striking, Donald Trump is underwater on every, really every issue right now, except the border, actual border security, as opposed to immigration as the catchall, he's way underwater.

The various ways that they describe, you know, these blue city surges are incredibly unpopular, but the public actually distinguishes pretty clearly.

They support that.

They, they...

It is like the one thing that, you know, not by a lot, maybe plus five or something like that, but we get sort of surprised when the public at large makes a distinction that it shouldn't be a terribly strange distinction to make.

Yes, you know, you kind of, you, you just sort of reinforce the borders.

And this video doesn't change those facts, but it does just give Donald Trump that teeny, tiny area that he needs to be where he operates best.

Mm-hmm.

And after that, Trump apparently went to Susie Wiles or whoever and said like, "We're...

I want this guy.

That was awesome," and that got him the thing.

And then there was a brief period where after the SignalGate thing first happened, where he seemed like he was in a little trouble, but he did a similar thing.

So, so Pete Hegseth knows how to tickle Donald Trump in the right way, let's put it that way, to, to, you know, to bring him on side.

So I don't expect any...

Right.

He's gonna have less and less sway with his party as they look to a future without Donald Trump.

There's a couple additional points here.

I mean, to Mara's point, I don't think the vast majority of people who cover DC thought it had the legs that it has had, or thought that there was that much of significance in there, like real significance, until he told us.

There was that time in that Cabinet meeting where he just, like, shut everybody down, "I don't wanna talk about it.

We're done," and he basically shook official DC until they realized that something is in there that must be very, either very damaging to him or very personally humiliating to him, or something that is problematic in the context of his family, something that is bad for him.

But there's two other points that got, I think, less attention here.

Uh, there was an article, it was either Bloomberg or Reuters, where after the House voted, and look, he gave them all an open shot, so of course they're gonna take it.

So, you could imagine this as a calculated strategy to, how do you win back the, the part of the base that's losing him? Be as double gross and vicious and nasty as possible.

And he has just decided, like, you know, absolute power craves absolute whatever.

Yeah.

No. This- these are, these are, you know, sort of different metaphors and different prisms for saying the same thing.

He is, uh, you know, uh, the Supreme Court, uh, lit this fire, or maybe, you know, the American people or a minority of the American people lit this fire back in 2016.

But- but it's the Supreme Court that really came with a, you know, couple jar cans of gasoline and poured it on, and they did this and- and continue to do this.

And at a certain point, you just start doing things like, "I'm gonna bring in a bulldozer and tear down the White House and- and create this sort of, the Trump imperial palace." You know, one thing that actually occurred to me, I don't- I don't know, th- you know, everybody's kind of pointed to this- this little kind of meandering moment he had in the Oval Office yesterday where someone asked him about this.

If you follow the actual course of the meanders, I think what is possible here is that he may want to take the $230 million, which then becomes his, and then he will pay for the ballroom.

That's a pretty big part of the electorate that's fucking pissed.

Mm.

Trump is impatient.

He wants to move ahead.

And I think and I hope, and I think my, my, my think and my hope are, are somewhat aligned here, that they have not done the legwork to sustain all of this yet.

You know, uh, uh, Tim made the point there, Viktor Orban was very methodical, right? And, you know, that, that metaphor they always have about salami slicing.

You do it one small step at a time.

Uh, Trump doesn't seem content with that.

Yes.

What is, what is your reaction?

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not sure his, uh, in my mind, Trump's thing is worse, but when you see the whole book together, you, you know, I, I'm not like a Pizzagate guy, but at least the, um, you know, the, the, uh, Hamptons, New York City, Palm Beach elite maybe, may- (laughs) you know, maybe the conspiracy theory, theor- ah, theorists are right about them.

I mean, as you say, uh, it certainly seems like his whole larger entourage, uh, is like, "Hey, Jeff.

I hope you're enjoying the 14-year-olds.

Don't get caught, you know.

Keep an eye on the, keep an eye on the authorities." Like, ugh, okay.

That's like...Uh, wow, that's...

Yeah.

(laughs)

... uh, for not only un- you know, undocumented immigrants around the country and also a lot of US citizens.

But I mean, it is so central and, uh, you know, I, I'm, I'm, uh, uh, my, the other guests are lawyers, but this was always so, uh, just a- out of anything that was remotely, uh, lawful.

I mean, the, the Congress actually does have some laws that def- that, that delegates a fair amount of tariff authority to presidents about dumping and stuff like that.

So, uh, the pre- the Congress has, I think wrongly deferred a lot, but there was just no basis of any of this.

And I, I, I do think, uh, going forward, if there is a, a, a non-authoritarian forward (laughs) for the United States, we have to think about...... how it is exactly that something with so little legal basis has been going on totally unchecked for, you know, what, eight months now? That's a, that's a-

Yes.

... with this situation.

But I also think, and I wanna talk about this for a minute, because I think it's so important, like, we've seen these photos of these ICE guys chasing, you know, the Uber drivers, you know, the food delivery guys, the, um, deporting the lady who worked at the nail salon, you know, people been here 20, 30, 40 years, people been here as long as we have, right? What's the goal here? 'Cause Americans have had the opportunities to do these jobs and they have not wanted to.

Yeah, and it's not like when, certainly when I was much younger and probably when you were too, you know, there have been times where, you know, uh, and certainly dur- you know, briefly during the Great Recession where you have unemployment approaches double digits, right? We've basically been in a full employment economy, as economists define it, for a number of years, you know, under 5%.

So, kind of by definition, there's nobody else who wants to do this job, because everybody's got a job.

Now, we know obviously some people don't have a job, but when you talk about, this gets into the technical economics of it, there are not other people who want this job who are not doing it.

And, and when you talk about the goal, I think people, for understandable reasons, don't like analogies or, or kind of, uh, bland shit analogies that go back to the Third Reich and the imposition of Hitler's dictatorship.

One of the things that happened during it, political scientists have a name for this, I can't remember it exactly, is that it was, it was fairly disorganized in a lot of ways.

Right.

And Hitler had a system where he kind of relied on people to, you know, be self-starters and kinda do stuff on their own, people in the state in governmental positions, to sort of compete with each other to achieve his aims.

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Well, P- Epstein say, right? Because, but again, it is, it is still the basic idea that the globalists, the Democrats, the weirdos, all the, all the rich and, you know, the Davos people, they are all actually a big international pedophile ring and you need someone like a Trump to come along with this kind of cleansing moment of violence to reveal and destroy all of them, and that's what Pizzagate was.

And that's what whatever, whatever the factual thing with Jeff Epstein was, that's what the Epstein social media thing became.

You're probably right, it goes back long before, uh, Pizzagate.

The other thing with this Trump stuff about the steal, you know, the, the obvious point that if you are trying to distance yourself from sex trafficking, you should not discuss it with words that, that denote property in people, right? (laughs) You're stealing people.

"She was mine.

You took her for your operation." It might as well be, like, a slave trading thing or something like that.

What's your thinking in at least that column, that this is truly in the cards?

Could Democrats have somehow engineered a scenario like this before the BBB passed? Or do you think the Epstein wrinkle is just such a seismic change that you could not have done it any other way?

There is nothing with the power of the Epstein thing specifically about Trump, right? And I think that, to a great extent, even a lot of us didn't know he was so vulnerable to it until he told us, right? He started doing all these things.

So, I think this Epstein cudgel was not available at the time.

A, that's part of it.

The other part of it is that the way that the budget reconciliation process works is that there are a lot of privileged resolutions and things like privileged resolutions where...

And, and again, I don't know how it exactly lines up in this case, but there's a lot of things about the, about the reconciliation process, and that's why you can't filibuster, that basically says, "No, no funny business." You can't, you know, you can't slip in other things that needed to be voted on.

You sort of get the rails greased for what you're trying to do.

Why even have it?

(laughs)

"But I need you to pretend.

Let's have the collective delusion and pretend that I'm not guilty, and, uh, let's have everybody rally around and let's do it that way." And, uh, you know, uh, it is...

As I said, it's, it's, it's, it's just, uh, baffling because it seemed maybe 48 hours ago that they had got some of the high-level influencers and, you know, other, uh, you know, supporters to kind of come in line.

You had a number of them saying, "Well, I guess it is time to move on, so let's move on." So, they seem to give him enough cover to s- to stop talking about it at least, right? That there wasn't like a demand for him to say things.

But he can't stop, and, and, uh, I think, you know, all three of us know, whatever we think of Trump, he has the magic, right? You can, you can think he is toast, that there is, there is no way out for him-

Yeah.

... something changed.

(laughs)

... as I understand it, he's, he's, like, not close enough to Paxton at the moment to give Trump confidence that he can do it.

And so, you know, it's not even, uh, it, it's not even a question, uh, at least as I understand it.

I mean, you know, Trump will, Trump will do what he needs to do to protect himself.

And this is the Democrats...

You know, this opens a road for them to take the Senate, and that changes everything in 2027.

So that's John Cornyn's problem now.

Yeah.