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Josh Herring

Josh Herring

Dr. Josh Herring, Professor of Classical Education and Humanities at Thales College and founder of the Logres Institute for Classical Liberal Studies; author of "Sons of Adam, Daughters of Eve: C.S. Lewis's Images of Gender" and host of the Them Before Us Podcast.

Sep 13, 2026

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Remind us where this weird name comes from and tell us what Logres' overall pedagogical vision is and for what you plan to do.
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Sure.
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Thanks, Josh Bowman, for hearing me out about a year ago.
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I pitched you this crazy idea, and you said, yes, this is a great fit for Ciceronian.
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The term Logres comes from the Welsh language, and somewhere during the Middle Ages, a bunch of Arthurian poets started using Logres as a term to refer to the kingdom that Arthur was building.
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And if you've read the Arthurian legends, you'll remember Arthur's kingdom always starts in a moment of chaos.
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Rome has left, the Saxons are coming, and there are some young guys, Uther and his brother Aurelius, who are trying, but they don't really succeed to build an ordered kingdom.

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But I'm wondering, starting again with Josh Herring, how do you plan to incorporate your faith into all this? What a
5:02
For those that may not be familiar with that term, how would you define classical education?
5:08
One leader in the space named Jeremy Tate often defines classical education as the way education used to be about 100 years ago.
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And about 100 years ago, there were some major movements that happened in American education that shifted the focus from content and kind of the idea of like you actually need to know these things to be an educated human being to suddenly shifting towards skills.
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And to be educated means you have skills that are applicable in the job force.
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The problem in education is not that classical educators don't like skills.
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We generally are big fans of very skillful people.
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The problem is when it comes to K-12 education, everything comes at a cost.

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Can you tell us a little bit about that?
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We think about
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it.
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I think this question matters a lot, especially because in the last two years, there are plenty of voices on the political right who have basically said, let's just give up the word gender and let's just drill down on biological sex.
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And they'll kind of bring up chromosomes.
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They'll bring up genitalia and so on.
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Lewis is making a different argument.
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And this may take a moment to set up, but hopefully your audience remembers Philosophy 101.

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So can you unpack just that part a little bit?
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So tell us a little bit about your perspective and how you caveat what's been said.
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Well, yeah, I want to back up to human flourishing because I think that's a lovely phrase that is easy to skip over defining.
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When I think about human flourishing, I'm thinking primarily about the ability of people to follow the natural order of human life.
12:54
So I would loosely define that as kind of the ability to establish some level of independence, to form a family, to build a home, and to do that securely.
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So when we're talking about major transformations of work, we are talking about things that massively shift how people live.
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And so that was true in the first Industrial Revolution.
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I think by some counts, we were in Industrial Revolution 4.0 back in like the 2010s.

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The reason I tied in this quote is it's really important because it makes the individual actually think about who am I, what am I made to do, what do I love, and what should I do? And lots of times nobody is confronted with that question because they just have a job and they just go from that job to the next job and they just drift through life.
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Now, that's a big word, but really all I'm talking about is you gotta know who you are and where you are and what your competition is.

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