Jonathan, do you have a list? Yeah, I do.

And I love the way we can interpret this.

So I interpreted this in the most personal ways possible.

And those are the behavior analysts to kind of shape my professional repertoire.

And also imagine the sort of order of my own professional development.

So first I'd have not a behavior analyst, but a behavioral psychologist by the name of Helen Hendy.

Early in her career, she actually studied primate behavior in Africa, I believe with Jane Goodall.

So if you could dismantle the trap at any of these different levels, you could kind of break that cycle and break that shaping process and allow behavior to move in different directions.