Hilton, for the stay.

Yeah, so this was actually last season.

And I didn't grow up tracking or I really only started doing that probably four years ago.

And I spent a lot of time in like the Adirondacks, tracked some in New Hampshire, never been to Maine.

We've done some in Massachusetts.

And this past season, we had been Two years ago, actually, when I shot the opening day buck, I started diving into hunting Pennsylvania a lot more because I had the entire season to hunt it.

And I had shot a really nice buck there that year after I shot the opening day buck in New York.

Sure.

You move it.

Yeah, I think that sometimes we talk about the feminization of the church in ways that it feels like it's kind of maybe coming to a head, I guess.

But my own experience, 20 years ago, I went to Bible college for one semester.

And I had already, even at whatever, 18, 19 years old, I'd already really started to wrestle with this.

Just looking around and going, where are the men? Who can I look up to and who can I follow into battle? Like into life and into work and into, you know, my mission that God has given me to have dominion over the earth.

And they just weren't there.

I just didn't have them.

yeah, the editors have been humming it because they're doing stuff all day, yeah.

so john this whole time has been holding up we got a dear landlord and dopamine split too i didn't even know about this one yeah exactly yeah john break it down for us what do we got

okay so we won't go into the nitty-gritty of it but i will say i don't ever glaze as to use the parlance of today's youth i don't ever glaze adam over the copyrights or dear landlord in person like to each other like when we're alone once a year or whatever or publicly ever but it was a massive deal like dear landlord i mean also the copyrights dear landlord i mean i think most most punks and most punk rock pop punk jaded dudes suburban dudes in our in our world are like massive like Being doing a split with Deerland was a big deal for us.

It was on paper and plastic and it really didn't get a lot of fare because I have nothing against this is not talking about like it was some some bad, some really bad blood or anything.

It just didn't get the love.

There was a lot of delay on it.

And then if you on Spotify, I think you have to search the Dopamines and Deerland.

It was not separated by each individual band is like a featuring on either side that would plunk it.

the guitars.

How have you found watching that side during, I guess, the T20 World Cup this summer with being that far removed, that bit further removed from it now?

Yeah, it's been in- interesting, like, so, so a lot of the players you mentioned there, we started their journey.

So I think the, the thing that I always reflect back on, reflect back on as a coach is, like, you don't always see the reward, um, for the people that you select in the immediate short-term future, right? So sometimes the, the team moves past you.

You know, hopefully it never does, but, like, that's, that's what happens.

The team moves past, past your tenure, so to speak, and it develops, but they have to start somewhere.

So someone's got to be brave enough to put them in that position at a really young, young and tender age.

So you're talking about Freya Kemp, for example, or Danni Gibson or Lauren Filer.

He's trying to implement stuff that's coming from the men's game." Um, and there's almost kind of a reactionariness to that in wanting a leader to come in f- who has a deep knowledge of the women's game to take the side forward.

There's really no like music intro too much and you just start singing.

Yeah, just go.

Yeah, just ups and goes.

So this one is actually a rerecord of a split we did with Dear Landlord that no one was really aware of.

It was nothing against Vinny and paper and plastic, but it wasn't promoted very well.

And it just kind of happened.

um and it took a while like the lead time on records and stuff records look amazing i don't know if you've ever seen it but we did heads up dusters and then another i can't remember it ended up being called expect the worst on tales of interest on the album tales of interest okay anyway it was a split we did and this one the original version of it is a much cleaner and i know eric toughen some moonlight recordings that's that's where we did it one of the only times we few times we didn't record with Matt drastic in Nashville.

yeah for sure um next one up is uh kitchen cleaners which is uh um where the cleaning supplies come in

Wow.

I'll, I'll start.

I, I remember when I first moved to Los Angeles, I met, one of the first people I met was Johan Raas.

And Johan used to say, first he said, "Great, there's always room for another trumpet player." And, and I think we'd all agree that there is.

There's a smaller pie, but, um, you know, a person we used to work with famous for saying, "You have more chance of being a space shuttle pilot than you do a professional trumpet player." And I don't agree with that.

I think that everybody has an opportunity to do things, you know, but there are different ways to do it, but think we all did it the same way.

Y- you get your playing to an incredible point.

You just start doing it and you adapt, you know.

It really bothers me.

It's interesting.

I think in the, in the change from, um, kind of the traditional media that we used to see, where there were obviously a lot of problems with that, a lot of gatekeeping.

We obviously celebrated the rise of the podcaster and new media and a new kind of freedom.

Um, and I think, Jeremy, you've mentioned this a lot of times.

Every time there's a new technology, we tend to experience the negative side effects of it first.

Right

... that I, I thought, that I acted, and that I wanted to fight and move in the world.