What do you remember most fondly about like that time of being a band?

Like at the very beginning or like, I mean, we did two albums.

Before we were on Red Scare.

So, I mean, that was only, like, two years.

We put out an album a year for the first, like, four or five years.

So there was a pretty steady, like, amount of material just coming out year after year.

I mean, things I remember fondly from that time period, I don't know.

What was it like coming up as a band in Southern Illinois and how important was this Lost Cross house for kind of maybe the early years and growing of the copyrights?

So I just made a shirt that just says the band should get a cut of the bar.

Yeah.

And then again, look, I the whole thing is just so messy.

Like I can understand I'm very diplomatic and I can understand like all sides of of how this stuff works.

I'm actually right now I'm I'm renovating an old church.

for a music venue like i've spent the last two years of my life every day just building a club so i think about it a lot today i was like i was a little bit late today but i was working because i just installed like these really cool uh lights in the front of the stage so i'm like building the stage But, you know, again, like people, everybody, you get a cut of the alcohol sales, but like that, you know, taxes take out that and liquor license and this and that and the alcohol pie gets smaller.

I'm thinking the big venues that do that.

What scene ethics do you hold on to to this day? what scene ethics that's a good one