Yeah.

So I'm really glad that you've had that.

And I love that you're involved with that organization.

So anyway, as far as for for me, the way that I teach mindfulness now is.

there's a lot of people who do grasp onto it for performance enhancement.

And sometimes that's what will open the door.

But I also tell them, or I ask them rather, what do you want out of your life? Do you want millions of dollars? Do you want to be perceived as successful by society? Or do you want to be fulfilled in your heart and really feel like you're a good father, a good mother, like I talked about before, a good parent? Um, and, and every day kind of wake up.

know additionally you guys have the the podcast uh as well you know and even like just kind of more focused into the last uh five years it's been growing year over year and some incredible folks you know coming on there to be able to lend their expertise um dive into you know some of the tools um techniques and and practices so tell us a little bit about um yeah the the show the podcast how that's going And how that kind of developed into like your current expression and offering that you're helping others along this mindfulness journey, that you are an agent of change in this big culture shift that we're seeing.

Mm

... what caused me more grief than anything, is that I was not out there.

So Will mentioned, you know, he had started practicing for, uh, to aid in performance.

Um, I was struggling with anxiety and the depression and that moral injury, and got introduced to it f- by a counselor.

I had been, uh, self-medicating with prescription medication and alcohol and got to a very dark place.

And, um, this, this counselor recommended mindfulness and meditation, and he recommended it to address that stuff, the, the anxiety, the depression, the survivor's guilt.

And I, I laughed at him.

Well, that's okay