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John E. Herbst

John E. Herbst

Former United States Ambassador to Ukraine

Aug 10, 2026

14:21
I'll let you go.
14:21
Well, thank you.
14:21
I appreciate your indulgence.
14:23
Look, it's not a straw man, because you have a very senior official who's made that point multiple times, including as recently just a few months ago.
14:31
So, um, you understand there's a problem with that under- with that approach.
14:35
And you're obviously a very smart man.
14:37
You have interesting information you pull across from historical context, but you don't know much about Ukraine, and you don't know much about Russia.

12 MINS LATER

26:52
[laughs]

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