Yes.

And this word piratas, pirates, is the one that is forever, and to this day, universally used by Argentines to refer to the English.

What it is is that, you know, the experience that I had as a child is the experience every Argentine child has, and you get it drummed into you.

Um, it's almost a kind of brainwashing.

And, um, and so it means that, for example, um, in 1982, the Falklands War happened as a result of the Argentine military junta, a barbaric military junta, being suddenly under pressure, fearing they'd lose power.

And so they launched an, a, a military assault on the Malvinas, thereby overnight transforming what had been a very angry feeling towards them among the population, to a feeling of shared joy that the Malvinas had been, you know, recovered, as it were.

Of course, that was short-lived because two and a half months later, the, the British recovered it.

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but of course people were not shoulder to shoulder 'cause there was no such space.

Uh, so we, we were there taking advantage of the fact that some people were now able physically to sit next to each other in a SCIF.

But when I went over originally, I recall, we thought that there had been this enormous success, and I remember going back, when you think of the founding story of the National Security Division, um, Bob Mueller used to tell the story of when he went to the president and after September 11th, and he went as the former prosecutor, uh, that he was, and he went into great factual detail about who they thought was responsible and how they were gonna hold them to account.

And the president essentially told him that that, that's not what he wants him to do, that that's a failure, and that while it may be, uh, necessary to prosecute after the fact, that the goal was to be intelligence led, so see what the intelligence is, is telling you, and threat driven.

Where does it say, what does it predict about the threat? And then success is not prosecuting when families are grieving.

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He ran point on national security matters at the Justice Department at the time.

And we did a lot of different scenarios.

We did electrical grid and water grid, and attacks against missile systems, and our overall ability to communicate, so telecom.

We all got it wrong, right? And no one anticipated that the first time that that would happen would be over a movie about pot-smoking journalists, uh, with Seth Rogen in it.

The thing that sticks to me is not a forensic point or an IT point.

It was really getting a sense of the fear that employees had, you know, going to, into work that day, of a skull and crossbone of a foreign power that's nuclear-armed.

Here's John Carlin again.

The other part that I think gets forgotten here is that they also were threatening to bomb movie theaters that distributed the film at a time when we were seeing terrorist attacks, and we were still living at a time closer to September 11th, and we were seeing this burst of another type of terrorist attack.

What's your understanding of the issue here? How, how real are the threats?

This is a, a real issue.

I mean, if you think about it, cybersecurity has already been estimated as a multi-trillion dollar problem, and that's because of crooks, nation states, terrorists attacking our systems day in and day out.

And one of the main ways they do that is they go after vulnerabilities.

Think of, you know, your house with an open door or an open window that remains unpatched, or because the technology is old, is unpatchable.

To cite one report, uh, alone from Cisco, of the top 10 exploits used by criminal groups and others in 2025, two of them were vulnerabilities that already were more than 10 years old, and one third of the top 100 exploits used were also more than a decade old, and 40% of the vulnerabilities that get exploited are on IT that's so old that it cannot be patched, so you have to get new systems in place in order to be able to patch it.

And the problem with Mythos, if it's released, is it means that you don't need to be a cybersecurity expert.

We all have to keep in mind, too, this could on some level be a marketing exercise, and it's better to find out now, you know, how successful is it? It may be the case that, um, it, it, all of these concerns are somewhat overblown or not, but, so I understand o- on that level if the cybersecurity names are selling off today because Anthropic's gonna come in and effectively say, "We'll help you with cybersecurity," we'll disintermediate them.