Yeah.

Um, but, um, uh, I just was, like, you know, orphan child number seven.

It wasn't about the show really.

It, for me, it was just about somewhere to go where people were nice.

You know- I, it, you know, I- it's just like you walk into this room, the whole, the movie shows this better than I could even articulate it, which is that Julianne lives in this world and, and everybody seems to ignore her and not notice her.

She's invisible, and the moment she walks into the theater, they say, "Oh my God, we are just so happy that you're here.

You are so gorgeous.

... was any of this on your mind, the idea that it might be a little bit absurd for actors to be asked to be truthful?

Yeah.

The effort that went into something that's so seamless when you watch it, so casual.

And now, like, now being in movies, you know, as an adult and just seeing the amount of effort that goes into every nuance, and then especially a movie like this where there's hundreds of artists working on every frame.

And, you know, I think if I, I, I find it when I, when I hear like, "Oh, the, doesn't it hurt the magic of the movies?" I'm like, not at all.

The shoes were affecting the way you moved?

Well, yeah, because, yeah, only because, like, you know, 'cause you can hear the shoes and I need to, like, dance around.

'Cause it's, to me, I felt like I was doing terrible overacting.

But you'd hear it back and you're like, "Oh, yeah, in order to sell this, I only have my voice, so I have to do something that if I was on camera I would be mortified by."

Absolutely.

Um, when I read the script, I immediately knew what this guy sounds like, and it's my friend Mike O'Connell.

Mike, Mike O'Connell's a brilliant stand-up comic from Chicago, and he I knew him for a while before I realized he was American.

I thought he was British because he talks like this all the time.

Oh.

It's hard to remember.

But anyway, when I read the script, I was like, "This is Mike." And Mike is kind of, I realize now in retrospect, Mike is kind of doing an impression and mocking a kind of guy who's blustery.

Uh, w- w- what made you-

Well, I learned about this, and this is just, like, something anybody could do.

Like, um, you know, it's really, it's, for me, pain-free.

It was quick.

They compensate you if you have to miss work to get the surgery.

You live a...

What they say, you live a longer life because they put you through such a battery of tests before you donate, that you end up living, like, they say, longer than your non-donor peers because, you know, you have to be so healthy to do it.

And is it difficult to, uh, find the voice of Dort?

So what about these movies is so much fun to make, especially when you have an iconic ensemble cast that people have loved for 10 years now?

It's the best group of people.

Um, we've known each other now for so many years, and then we added three of also the best group of people.

It's like a really fun ensemble.

We all love our parts.

The movies are really entertaining.

And, uh, it's just like pure joy, you know? And it's the kind of movie where like if we're having fun, the audience has fun too.

[laughs]

[laughs]

And to me, these characters are incredibly s- likable because they, uh, they, they, they do mean things in the plays and everything, but to me, my heart breaks for these, these kind of broken people who are act- misbehaving.

And, um, I was always shocked that, that I would get characterized this way.

And then after I did The Social Network too, I did a few other movies where I played a mean person.

I did a Batman movie.

I played a villain.

I do these Now You See Me movies.

Right.

if that was a coincidence.

Yeah, um, I found in college and in short story classes that I don't describe sunsets well, but I do write dialogue well.

I can...

I really enjoy kind of writing an interior monologue, uh, rather than, you know, a description of something, uh, uh, omnisciently.

Um, I'd rather describe a person kind of, uh, uh, being annoyed by a sunset 'cause it's making their face itch 'cause they haven't been out in the sun than describing the orange hues that are, uh, you know, being emitted.

Uh, I just don't do that well.

This is the book of an anthropologist.

Yes, exactly.

(laughs)

...

he was...

while he was editing, he was looking for somebody to come on board who would give some kind of creative input and be a kind of more public champion of the movie.

Um, I've been asked to do things like that before.

I w- never had any interest in that kinda thing.

It's not really what I do.

Uh-huh.

... and now?

Um, I mean, I never did it and don't do it.

But I don't know, I feel weird, like, putting more stuff about myself online.

Like, it's already kind of embarrassing.

You know, like, it's weird to be a public person in general, so I didn't wanna go online.

But that's mostly has to do with my just complete discomfort with myself, and so, like, I didn't wanna, like, talk about, you know, I guess, things.

But, you know, I don't know.

And now-

But so is your suffering any less important? Does that count as, as pain? You know.

Yeah, exactly.

Like, you know, one of the kind of ironies with Kieran's character in the movie, um, you know, as you said, he kind of plays this incredibly charming and manic guy, but he also is just privately suffering from severe depression.

I mean, severe like, uh, um, you know, um, you know, wondering if he wants to go on with his life.

And one of the dramatic ironies in the movie is that our grandmother survived, as I say in the movie, by a thousand miracles, you know.

Um, you know, the way my family survived the war, they were, you know, hidden in basements with their teachers, you know, like, crazy stories as, as you know from, you know, anybody who survived the Holocaust, there's usually a story that's, you know, incredibly shocking and more shocking than the last one you heard.

So, like, there's this irony where we are the products of a thousand miracles, and yet Kieran's character doesn't even know if he wants to live, and what is that? Why do we walk around with all this modern pain, um, when our lives are materially comfortable a- after being the products of incredible stories of survival? Um, and, uh, and it, and it's something I think about all the time because I'm like, you know, a depressed, you know, person or whatever.

How did you go about it in the most respectful way that you could think of while also making a movie?

[laughs]

Yeah, my advice would be, uh...

God, what would my advice be? No, I mean, you can't take advice from somebody who's far worse at it than you are.

Maybe some kind of...

I was gonna say maybe some kind of self-hatred so that, you know, y- you could, it'll stifle you more, but actually self-hatred for me makes me ramble on further 'cause I'm trying to apologize for the initial thing that I said, and then apologize for the apology.

So actually maybe self-love, Sharon.

Maybe find some self-love, and then you won't feel the need to kind of ramble like I am now.

Mm-hmm.