What's, what was life like after that kind of, like, meet and then moving forward and now, yeah?

Well, I guess after meeting them...

Or I'll let you talk.

So this was before you were made redundant.

Mm-hmm.

'Cause, 'cause I remember when you were at the place.

And so Donelle had gone through, I think, the hardest, toughest period, 'cause I think when I met you, you wasn't homeless anymore.

He's involved.