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um so i i spent 20 plus years in agency land tiny ones mid-sized ones b2b ones network ones you name it i've i've worked in it always on account management side got up to quite senior levels in some places loved it until i didn't um got to a point sort of about 2022 that sort of post-covid reality of like my god uh used to be Work hard, play hard.

Now it's just work hard.

Work harder.

Work harder, do more for less, et cetera, et cetera.

And I just got to a point where I thought, I'm in danger of burning out here.

So walked away from it, walked back into it a little bit, but then walked away properly and had to figure out a bit of a plan.

So yeah, you're going for magic and neurodivergence.

You do have the power to edit the podcast.

I was at a firm called Moon Beaver.

I started there in 1996, and it probably wasn't until after I qualified in around 1998 that we started doing block transfer orders, which weren't actually covered by the law.

They were more a convenience, really, and to save creditors the cost of transferring to a fully different IP at possibly a different firm when people within that firm had already been working on them.

The first contentious case I came across, which was with Steve, was the now infamous case of when a large and successful firm called Cass and Beckman Apartments went down and they made an ex parte application to transfer, I think it was around 150 cases, Steve, am I right there?

with council, and I think you and I attended representing HMCE, and authentically, between us, we represented most of the creditors in most of the cases and had the most economic interest in looking at what had gone

on.

Yes, and I seem to recall the point the judge, Judge Gilliland, was most taken by, apart from them not having given full disclosure about what had been going on and hadn't consulted creditors, was that it was not only that they should be doing the right thing, but they should be seen to be doing the right thing.