How about you, Jake?

Um, two or three things, uh, the forward progression of being able to see something that you actually put your hands on and, and did is like, you can see that every day and you're like, all right, I did something.

Uh, the second thing would be, um, it's a puzzle dude.

Every day it's, it's physically and mentally stimulating every day.

you can do the same thing ten days in a row and you may have to via terrain or via schedule or via company you may have to do ten different ways and that builds your metal yeah you know I feel confident in myself being able to do that in several different places several different ways and the older I get the most satisfying thing I have is meeting the guys that I have in the trade A lot of times you get on the news, you get on the Internet and whatever, you start losing faith in the public.

You start losing faith.

And when you get in the trade, you start losing faith in your friends.

Mm-hmm.