Does that resonate?

It really does.

And I also think sometimes like genre, like naming a genre isn't, is, isn't so useful in talking about what we do, because there's so much poetry in what Mike does, and I think a lot of, um, poets have humor in their work, but it's to bring out sort of a deeper end truth, and I think Mike as well uses humor to bring out a deeper truth.

And so I sort of think, like one of the things that Mike and I really love to do is, I think, push the ge- genre that we're supposedly in to see what's possible.

... ties into something we were talking about before.

Voyager 2 and Voyager 1.

Sometimes my husband leaves bed for a little spacewalk and ends up with a case of aliens in his throat.

When I try to wake him, it's as though I've punctured a hole in the oxygen tank of his reality, and for a few moments he is just gasping, a visitor here.