I don't know, is that your feeling?

I'm nodding.

I'm like, yes.

Yeah.

And it was just, it was, I was on the edge of my seat the entire time.

And you know what else I really liked about it was the, oh, what was she? It wasn't tasks she was doing, but it kind of felt like trials, which is a very like.

Known and loved.

That added a layer to him that was nice.

Just tell me.

Um, so [laughs] um, I just feel like it's a really rich world.

The world building, building is great from the get-go, and it's really slow burn in terms of the, uh, romance.

Uh, and you're more focused on your main character, the secrets that she keeps.

She's trying to survive in a world where people are going to kill her for those secrets that she keeps, and then she gets thrust into a trial, like competition thing-

[laughs]

It's revealed not too far in, I would say, like probably like halfway through, that Rea has, is the secret guardian.

She's a demisage.

[laughs]

Yeah, that was rough.

And oh, when Reeve was...

When it's, like, the reveal that Reeve didn't, he didn't want to leave her, but she asked him to, and then she's like, "Wait, I hated you for leaving me, but I'm the one that asked you to leave me." I was like, oh my God.

[laughs]

Yeah

...

he just, like, was so shady about his dad.

I kind of

was disappointed that she wasn't.

I'm not going to lie.

Like, you know, when Meryn was trying to communicate with her being like, Noemi, are you in place? Are we good? And she's like, yeah, yeah, I'm here.

All good.

I was like, sus.

And then when Killian was like, what's his name? Tormund, the alpha of the Phylax.

Okay, who would like to go first? stress I volunteer as tribute Izzy you're going first the name of your fantasy book is the twin courts of the eternal flame I

Something a little bit different.

It's so quick.

It doesn't have, it doesn't hit exactly the same just 'cause, uh, Cassandra Clare, I was like, she's so funny.

Like, I'm laughing out loud.

Um, so it doesn't have the exact, all that dialogue and the, uh, narration that is quite funny, but it does hit 'cause it's got obviously the illustrations.

Um, I, uh, purposely am not going back to Vampire Academy just 'cause I know I don't think it's gonna hit as hard.

[laughs]

And are these books that you would recommend to a, like budding fantasy reader?

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She does characters so well that I just ...

They're always my favorite.

Like, I just love everyone in this book.

No one will die.

[laughs]

[laughs]

Please.

I enjoy the fact that it's doing something that we don't typically see."

Yeah, exactly, and it's like Evie is at the center part of the story, and I feel like whenever children are in fantasy books, they're really, like, more of the side characters.

Like, they've got their own little kind of world, parents potentially.

Um, they're never really on the page, but Evie is really quite prominent.

Um, and I actually quite like that.

[laughs]

Yes.

There was those little bits of information, and I tell you, when it clicked, I was just like... [laughs] 'Cause, like, Andreas was talking about how his dad was, you know, spending money on things and, like, blah, blah, blah, and then, but then Odessa was talking about, like, the very gilded palace and how her grandfather...